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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 20, 2015 5:50:05 GMT -6
Just paging Sevastáin Pinátsch again, in case he missed this (although he's very busy, so maybe he just hasn't had a chance to reply yet). |
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Mar 21, 2015 5:08:15 GMT -6
Sure. Talk with Carlus.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 22, 2015 14:31:34 GMT -6
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 25, 2015 11:51:15 GMT -6
Paging Sevastáin Pinátsch here, now that we have a solution. Since the new portal launched, by the way, and even after the BT site was updated, it still has almost nothing but ETT articles linked. I'm sure that must be a mistake of some kind. It's been almost two weeks and Francal updated berichttalossan.com with issue #24, so there may be something wrong with either your aggregator, Sev, or something else. I can actually click on the "Issue 24" tag on the left to bring the articles up, but somehow none of them are displayed on the site. There is one displayed at the very bottom of the list, but when you click on it, it has no content and no link. So I'm not sure the thing is working correctly. Just FYI. Thankfully, CCX and I sorted out the whole thing. Those six articles should show off our respective media organizations very well, and we were able to easily agree on them. |
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Mar 25, 2015 16:11:14 GMT -6
You disrupted the feed when you registered your domain name. I've had to delete and resyndicate the affected posts, but some are permanently lost because you've capped your RSS feed at 10, it seems.
If you'd like to have your articles at the top of the heap, you certainly missed an opportunity by not publishing a new issue on Sunday. I thought BT was an every-two-week thing?
And might I take this opportunity to "page" you as well, to contribute something substantial to the Portal? Like a page? So far, the scores are: Sev: 71, Cresti: 8, and Eiric: 2.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 25, 2015 16:48:36 GMT -6
You disrupted the feed when you registered your domain name. I've had to delete and resyndicate the affected posts, but some are permanently lost because you've capped your RSS feed at 10, it seems. Not sure if that's something I can change. That's okay, though. The PDF back issues are all available on the site. Thanks for the heads-up, though! If you'd like to have your articles at the top of the heap, you certainly missed an opportunity by not publishing a new issue on Sunday. I thought BT was an every-two-week thing? It sure is! We do have scheduled breaks, though. Like I said when we put out #23, and like it says on the bottom of #24, a year of hard work meeting regular deadlines means you need to give people time off every now and again! Beric'ht Talossan is still the news that you can rely on, though - our next issue is in progress, and our Twitter feed is updated regularly by our wonderful team. Thankfully, the whole "heap" thing won't matter so much, anyway. Did you get a chance to fix the site? CCX and I agreed really easily on those six articles, thankfully. And might I take this opportunity to "page" you as well, to contribute something substantial to the Portal? Like a page? So far, the scores are: Sev: 71, Cresti: 8, and Eiric: 2. Sure! As soon as I get a chance, anyway. With occasional wiki updates, Beric'ht Talossan, once more stepping in for the Scribe, and other things, my Talossan time is pretty full. I'll definitely be able to help with some pages, though. We'll knock off the rest of the pages in no time, no worries! |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 31, 2015 6:05:06 GMT -6
Sevastáin Pinátsch, I wonder if you found a chance to fix this during the past week? I know you're busy, so you might not have gotten to it yet.
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Apr 5, 2015 17:10:50 GMT -6
I can see how this "fix" helps BT, but what is the plan for updating content when other sites update, like The Royal Gazette, or TPA, or Mormoglhen?
I'd rather have no news than outdated news.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 5, 2015 17:23:30 GMT -6
I can see how this "fix" helps BT, but what is the plan for updating content when other sites update, like The Royal Gazette, or TPA, or Mormoglhen? I'd rather have no news than outdated news. I guess just eliminating the entire thing would be an option - what I called the "take my ball and go home" option, earlier - but that would be sad. I'm not sure that this is really a tough thing to figure out, though. If The Royal Gazette or Mormoglhen become active again, then I can't imagine it would be too hard for their publishers, CCX, and I to work out a fair set of articles to showcase the media. Really, this would be a kind of a great thing for the Talossan Press Association to do, so we should look into putting someone in place to lead it. Working out how featured media are selected would be an ideal role for an active press organization. I don't see how this is much of a concern, anyway... the selected articles above, for example, were chosen in part because they were not that time-sensitive. If you still think they're too time-sensitive, we can pick others. It was not hard to agree on them. Also, if you're worried about being able to keep it updated, given how little time you have available, then you could certainly give CCX and I access to the specific page - we could do it ourselves. So there are a ton of other options beyond just deleting the whole thing, and most of them are better than the current option, which directs readers to your own rehosted version of news articles that has no click-through or attribution and which heavily favors your own organization. |
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Post by Adam da Simeon on Apr 5, 2015 17:52:38 GMT -6
Just got the E-Mail from BT about this! I love the new site, and all the hard work that was put into this was well spent!
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Apr 6, 2015 1:32:06 GMT -6
I can see how this "fix" helps BT, but what is the plan for updating content when other sites update, like The Royal Gazette, or TPA, or Mormoglhen? I'd rather have no news than outdated news. Note that The Royal Gazette IS updated (as far as the editor can tell*). Due to the nature of the Gazette as an Official Public Record, the Gazette's content is never displayed in real time. The Royal Gazette might not be the best example to use here. T * Suggestions about articles that missed getting in The Royal Gazette are always appreciated. |
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Apr 6, 2015 2:05:56 GMT -6
I can see how this "fix" helps BT, but what is the plan for updating content when other sites update, like The Royal Gazette, or TPA, or Mormoglhen? I'd rather have no news than outdated news. I would strongly advise you to restore the original RSS feed, or, at best, to add separate RSS feed readers for each newspaper. The "fixed links" solutions is not acceptable, in my opinion. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 6, 2015 7:47:51 GMT -6
S:reu Seneschal, he actually hasn't done anything yet - the official page right now just links directly to six ETT cartoons, two ETT articles, and (now) two Gazette backups of royal announcements. It's linked almost exclusively to ETT articles for several weeks, now. And while I understand that your Government might wish to promote the blog to which the Distain, MinInt, A-G, and MinStuff all contribute, while trying to turn traffic away from independent media, I just don't think it's appropriate. BT links will presumably appear in a week, when our archive is updated. But at the given rate of publishing of ETT, all BT links will be gone in a few days. Ten or eleven days out of every fortnight, most or all of that feed is going to be ETT, right? It's also not very great that there's no attribution (Sev's aggregator just takes the content and rehosts it, without crediting the source or author) or clickthrough (someone who likes a story or author can't click through to the original version) or corrections (we already saw that a cartoon that ETT pulled had to be manually deleted after a complaint, since the aggregator had taken and rehosted it). If you don't understand why this stuff is important, ethically, check out this link. I understand the reasons behind it... Sev wants to promote his blog/aggregator thing; BT has criticized the Government in the past; just doing RSS feeds is automatic and easy; and so on. I also know that it has been suggested that BT could just abandon its current format and become more like the Government-approved blog. But I have to say that it seems really unfair for the Government to set up a system that favors the Government-approved blog over the more even-handed (if occasionally critical) newspaper. I'm sure it was unintentional when setting it up, and there are plausible and good reasons for doing it this way, but it seems like a really obviously bad idea. I'm not saying that it was corrupt or an abuse of power, and I'm not saying that the weeks this discussion has dragged on are a petty attempt to punish me... I don't think those things are the case. I know we just want to put together something that works well, with a minimum of fuss - and that we all want the new site to thrive. So I just want a solution that does not inadvertently favor one of the two major media organizations over the other. Not a lot to ask, really, is it? That all said, separate feeds would at least be something with which I could live. I wouldn't be happy about it, since Sev's blog/aggregator has no clickthrough or attribution, but it's a compromise I'd be willing to accept. |
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Apr 6, 2015 11:27:42 GMT -6
And while I understand that your Government might wish to promote the blog to which the Distain, MinInt, A-G, and MinStuff all contribute, while trying to turn traffic away from independent media, I just don't think it's appropriate. Nor do I. But trust me - BT is not independent media. Only you seem to believe that. And I agree with you. You're just putting words in my (and the Government's) mouth - something you and your newspaper have grown accustomed to, indeed. ETT has never had Governmental approval - your even-handed and totally unbiased newspaper enjoys the full support and endorsement of the Opposition. Static links over dynamic RSS aggregators does not work well and updating them takes more than a minimum of fuss. This is precisely my suggestion. Have the feeds point to the website rather than the aggregator and the attribution problem is also solved. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 6, 2015 11:55:17 GMT -6
And while I understand that your Government might wish to promote the blog to which the Distain, MinInt, A-G, and MinStuff all contribute, while trying to turn traffic away from independent media, I just don't think it's appropriate. Nor do I. But trust me - BT is not independent media. Only you seem to believe that. I am sorry that you think that, but we work hard to provide an open platform for contributors from all different parts of the political spectrum. It is Beric'ht Talossan policy to welcome any contributors who wish to begin publishing Talossan news and opinion. Right now, we are particularly proud of the work of former MRPT Seneschal Gluc da Dhi, who has been a great reporter over the past few issues, as well as long-standing and award-winning LibCon reporter Munditenens Tresplet. In addition to one RUMPer, this trio make up our actively contributing reporting team, and an amazing team they are, too! We hope that Txec, your A-G, will soon be able to find the time to return to working. He has been an outstanding reporter, and we can't wait to have him back. I also don't want anyone to get me wrong... I would love for ETT to succeed, whether it's sanctioned by the whole Government or just most of it. An active and competitive media is great for the country, and that's more important than anything else in this sort of discussion. I hope that ETT flourishes.  ETT has never had Governmental approval - your even-handed and totally unbiased newspaper enjoys the full support and endorsement of the Opposition. We are certainly not totally unbiased, but we do our best. When members of our team select their topics, I believe they will tell you that they have full liberty to choose anything that interests them, and I am eager to support them. I mean, honestly... our front-page above-the-fold article yesterday was a lengthy interview that let the main proponent of bringing down the Semi-Permeable Wall Act make an extended case for his bill! I am vocally and frequently on record opposing that bill! You're just being silly. I am sure we can do better, and have made mistakes in the past. I am happy to admit that. But I am dedicated - and I think anyone in the organization will agree - to an open publishing platform and I don't force any perspective on anyone in the paper. Static links over dynamic RSS aggregators does not work well and updating them takes more than a minimum of fuss.[/quote] It's not that hard... we would need to do it every few months, maybe? Especially if we revived the Talossan Press Association, which might be a great way to do it. This is precisely my suggestion. Have the feeds point to the website rather than the aggregator and the attribution problem is also solved. That would be better, yes. Sevastáin Pinátsch, your Seneschal in addition to the owner/publisher of ETT agrees... the status quo is not satisfactory! How about this change, if you're dead-set against taking my suggestion? |
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