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[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

A modern and recent form of Rough Music in modern British politics.

AD, you're a public figure. You know enough American law to know what that means. The political (not personal) attacks will not let up until you take some responsibility and change the editorial policy at BT. And the political attacks on the RUMP will not let up after that until the RUMP as a party changes its ways. This is no different than picketing and satire. There's no law against "flying satirical picketing" in Talossa.

[Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă]

AD I've read some rather impolite things from you as well. Many of the comments you referenced were not aimed at you, but at the RUMP. Some comments made by Dame Miestra were crass and uncalled for as well. You've both been on this smear-attack-refuse-to-budge thing for some time now. AD you refuse to take responsibility for some rather nasty things printed in BT specifically aimed at Miestra - and not just subtly but quite overtly.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

The difference is that she can ignore the paper or the cartoons! Right now, she waits until they're put up on my Google Drive and then seeks them out, but she could just not read the public criticism about her in the media.

ESB, I can't get away from her! She is following me around, she even says as much, and harassing me, and I can't escape it without... well, leaving or hiding!

If I found out that one of my students was doing this to another student, I'd ask the principal or school resource officer to sit them down and explain to them why following someone around online and constantly harassing them - like commenting on every Facebook post and sending them messages - is wrong, even if you disagree with something they said. But she's the Distain and one of the most powerful people in the country, and I can't get away from her, and the Seneschal appears to be supporting her, so all I can do is ask her to please stop bullying me.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Feb 28, 2015 13:10:28 GMT -6 Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă said:

AD I've read some rather impolite things from you as well. Many of the comments you referenced were not aimed at you, but at the RUMP. Some comments made by Dame Miestra were crass and uncalled for as well. You've both been on this smear-attack-refuse-to-budge thing for some time now. AD you refuse to take responsibility for some rather nasty things printed in BT specifically aimed at Miestra - and not just subtly but quite overtly.

I know I have been impolite, and certainly we often disagree, but what I put up there was just two months of comments, everywhere I went. I don't follow her around, I comment on things that need comment! This has been going on for almost a year, and all the time. Even if I wanted to change policies at the paper now - and I still think an open platform is the thing to have - I couldn't, because she would just pick some other cause she wants. She doesn't seem to get tired, or to get sick of posting nasty things, and it just keeps going. I can't give in to bullying!

Of course she should continue her responses and any legitimate criticism and all political speech, but I just want her to stop following me everywhere and harassing me. Even if you disagree with my perspective, why are you defending her bullying?!

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I can't have this conversation anymore, it's too upsetting, frankly. Bye

[Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă]

Feb 28, 2015 13:16:33 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Feb 28, 2015 13:10:28 GMT -6 Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă said:

AD I've read some rather impolite things from you as well. Many of the comments you referenced were not aimed at you, but at the RUMP. Some comments made by Dame Miestra were crass and uncalled for as well. You've both been on this smear-attack-refuse-to-budge thing for some time now. AD you refuse to take responsibility for some rather nasty things printed in BT specifically aimed at Miestra - and not just subtly but quite overtly.

I know I have been impolite, and certainly we often disagree, but what I put up there was just two months of comments, everywhere I went. I don't follow her around, I comment on things that need comment! This has been going on for almost a year, and all the time. Even if I wanted to change policies at the paper now - and I still think an open platform is the thing to have - I couldn't, because she would just pick some other cause she wants. She doesn't seem to get tired, or to get sick of posting nasty things, and it just keeps going. I can't give in to bullying!

Of course she should continue her responses and any legitimate criticism and all political speech, but I just want her to stop following me everywhere and harassing me. Even if you disagree with my perspective, why are you defending her bullying?!

Well I would have replied saying that I'm not defending bullying, but I guess maybe AD won't see it.

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial]

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[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Feb 28, 2015 13:16:33 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Even if I wanted to change policies at the paper now - and I still think an open platform is the thing to have - I couldn't, because she would just pick some other cause she wants.

Citation needed. The campaign against BT will end when its political bias (mainly its publishing of disgustingly personalised cartoons) ends. The campaign against the RUMP continues, because the RUMP, like the Bourbon monarchy in France, learns nothing and forgets nothing.

She doesn't seem to get tired, or to get sick of posting nasty things, and it just keeps going.

Miestrâ is out there. She can't bargained with, she can't be reasoned with, she doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and she will absolutely not stop - EVER!- until I change my editorial policy!!!

I can't give in to bullying!

So it is an ego thing? A "I can't afford to lose face" thing? I was bullied by the Lord God King Champion of bullying, R. Ben Madison, for 9 years and I outlasted him because Talossa was worth fighting for. I outlasted five years of defamation of character - actually, which was really directed at our current SoS - in the form of BETRAYED STOLEN KEPT. Hell, some say that I "gave in to bullying" by seeking Reunision and swearing an oath to the Woolley monarchy.

What goes around comes around. You have caused damage to Talossa by your style of politics and your utter reluctance to admit that you are at fault for anything ever. This is the natural consequences of such actions. I beseech you, climb off your high horse and seek compromise with your opponents.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Feb 28, 2015 16:37:53 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Hell, some say that I "gave in to bullying" by seeking Reunision and swearing an oath to the Woolley monarchy.

Yeah, and Alexandreu dropped "betrayed, stolen, kept" years ago too. Everyone swallowed hard and tried to put past hurts behind them. Do we really need to reopen the Talossan Cold War? Should I be trying to rake up all the mean things any Republican said about the Kingdom or the Kingdom's citizens from 2005 through 2011? Reunision happened, let's move forward.

[Françal Ian Lux]

Guys this might not be the right place to discuss these. Start a new thread maybe?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I can't draw cartoons, but I can adapt a classic World War 2 cartoon from New Zealander David Low.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Cresti: the issue is that AD has refused to change BT's editorial policy through repetitive complaints from myself and others. What do you suggest, that we all sit down and shut up while the people behind "ESM" personally abuse and slander us (dragging people's religion through the mud on some occasions), in the political services of your and AD's political party? AD wants to dish it out and stop other people from throwing it back at him. That can't happen.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Feb 28, 2015 17:22:05 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Cresti: the issue is that AD has refused to change BT's editorial policy through repetitive complaints from myself and others.

The gall! Doesn't he realise he's supposed to do whatever you say?

What does that have to do with things that were in Alexandreu's Witt signature four or five years ago, anyways? If Alexandreu disagrees with your reaction to his editorial policy, should he drag out that "some suburb of Milwaukee" quote so beloved of Ben from last century?

Feb 28, 2015 17:22:05 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

What do you suggest, that we all sit down and shut up while the people behind "ESM" personally abuse and slander us (dragging people's religion through the mud on some occasions), in the political services of your and AD's political party?

I can understand vigorous, even vituperative, disagreement with the cartoons. I think several of them are really low blows myself (though I also think you overreact to some of them). But does every single conversation on Witt involving Alexandreu or the RUMP really have to be about them?

[Tráveç Dun]

I'll readily admit I have mixed feelings on this. As I recall, the cartoon about "Standing up to Muslims" came out immediately after I signed on as a Beric'ht writer, and my immediate impulse was to drop out. It offended me both as a slight against all Muslims generally, and against the Distain specifically - a comparison I felt was as obviously intended as it was wildly overblown in every respect.

I've also contributed an article to Tamlalt, only to find it would be complimented by an article (by the Distain) which compared the RUMP parade - a bunch of photoshopped sci-fi jokes - to a Confederate 'Heritage' Parade. (This is what I understand, anyway - I've only seen the Talossan version). That offended me personally, and my immediate impulse was to withdraw my article.

Ultimately I did neither. My American heritage has imbued me with that nation's almost fanatical take on free speech and free press, one that I know from personal experience can confuse or repel others, especially from other nations.

Talossa has an extremely limited press presence - let's call it one and a half newspapers, since Tamlalt hasn't hit the stands. As it stands, if AD starts barring stuff from Beric'ht, he's basically stepping into the role of national censor. He's got a tough call to make. I feel like I understand why he's committed to making Beric'ht an open forum, and I respect that decision. If it was my paper, I don't know if I'd make the same one.

This would be the part of the monologue where I come to my soul searching's measured but triumphantly rational conclusion, but I don't have one. On the one hand, different things offend different people, and as said, I think it's important for people to be able to get their views out there - and I don't care if they do it anonymously. On the other hand, I find my nation consumed by animosity over the issue. I wish I did have an easy solution that would make everyone set down their guns, but I don't.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Feb 28, 2015 17:29:05 GMT -6 Sir C. M. Siervicül said:

But does every single conversation on Witt involving Alexandreu or the RUMP really have to be about them?

It's called political protest, a virtual form of picketing. "Bullying"? No, simple free speech against a public figure who has abused his public responsibilities. Nothing else has worked to change AD's stubborn refusal to be gentlemanly towards his political opponents. Are you really advising me to swallow BT's abuse and accept that it will never change?

The only reason I bring up "betrayed stolen kept" is because AD has a long history of dishing out lies and abuse to me and mine. And now for the first time he faces an opponent who won't give up and let him do exactly what he wants and whom he can't evade. And he is throwing a toddler-like tantrum for which no-one should have sympathy. His choices are to put up with it; to withdraw from Talossan public life; and to change his ways. I am shocked and appalled that the third option does not even seem to be considered. Oh, and there's a fourth option, attempt to make "flying picketing on Wittenberg" illegal, but good luck getting that past the Covenant of Rights and Freedoms.

cresti said:

should he drag out that "some suburb of Milwaukee" quote so beloved of Ben from last century?

Do you have ANY concept of the context in which that comment was made, or what it actually means? What do you think it means? Careful, you're setting yourself up for a hell of a pratfall if you don't understand the quote.