Senäts votes, November 2014 clark.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Can be cast here. (or using the database.)

Bills for consideration:

RZ3 - The Wittenberg Pre-Privatisation bill
RZ4 - The Articulate Amendment
RZ5 - The Anti-Espionage Act
RZ6 - The Election Guidance Act and Amendment
RZ7 - The 47th Cosa Budget Act
RZ8 - The Great Reform (No. 1: Interior Ministry) Bill
RZ9 - The Great Reform (No 2: Finance) Bill
RZ10 - THE ORGANIC LAW AMENDMENT (SECRETARY OF STATE PROTECTION) BILL
RZ11 - THE SECRETARY OF STATE PROTECTION BILL
RZ12 - The Culture? Don\'t Talk To Me About Culture Bill

[Munditenens Tresplet]

RZ3 - PER
RZ4 - PER
RZ5- PER
RZ6 - PER, and looking forward to further reforms of the Electoral Commission in the future.
RZ7 - PER
RZ8 - PER
RZ9 - Taking into consideration my own hesitance towards this bill, as well as the views of my constituents, I vote CON.
RZ10 - Taking into consideration the views of my constituents, and their valid points/concerns, although I support this bill, I vote AUS.
RZ11 - See above. AUS.
RZ12 - PER!

[Glüc da Dhi]

I'm sorry for my recent absense. I have been extremely busy lately.

RZ3 - AUS
RZ4 - PER
RZ5- PER
RZ6 - PER
RZ7 - PER
RZ8 - PER
RZ9 - AUS
RZ10 - PER
RZ11 - CON
RZ12 - PER

[Brad Holmes]

RZ3 - CON
RZ4 - CON
RZ5- CON
RZ6 - PER
RZ7 - PER
RZ8 - CON
RZ9 - CON
RZ10 - CON
RZ11 - CON
RZ12 - PER

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Senators, since I have a mandate from the Cosâ to push forward on the reform of Finance and the technical changes to the Secretary of State's appointment (though not the OrgLaw amendments), I intend to repropose RZ9 and RZ11, once I can be sure that they will pass this august house.

While I don't expect any change in opinion from those Senators who were part of the old regime's "Fortress", I am concerned by how Senators Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun and Munditenens Tresplet voted on RZ9 and on how they and Senators Eðo Grischun and Lüc da Schir voted on RZ11. If you guys could explain why you voted down this bill (better than "my constituents are worried", please, Munditenens!) we can sort out improvements. I am actually quite distressed that none of you guys actually entered the debate.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Nov 22, 2014 16:39:04 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Senators, since I have a mandate from the Cosâ to push forward on the reform of Finance and the technical changes to the Secretary of State's appointment (though not the OrgLaw amendments), I intend to repropose RZ9 and RZ11, once I can be sure that they will pass this august house.

While I don't expect any change in opinion from those Senators who were part of the old regime's "Fortress", I am concerned by how Senators Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun and Munditenens Tresplet voted on RZ9 and on how they and Senators Eðo Grischun and Lüc da Schir voted on RZ11. If you guys could explain why you voted down this bill (better than "my constituents are worried", please, Munditenens!) we can sort out improvements. I am actually quite distressed that none of you guys actually entered the debate.

I was hesitant from the get go regarding RZ9, and a lot of my personal hesitance came from the formatting of the bill--specifically, there were a lot of changes being made, and it took a lot of time to go through and compare the bill to the current law to see exactly which changes were being made, where. When I finished my own comparison, I found myself in agreement with virtually all the changes of the bill, and as noted in my town hall thread, I was leaning towards voting PER. But I don't represent my own views, I represent the views of Maricopa and her citizens, one of whom brought up with a valid point: Making the registration fee flexible could cause confusion around registration/election time.

On RZ10 (and RZ11) I supported them both. Again, I don't represent myself, I represent views of Maricopan citizens, some of whom had some strong view points regarding these two bills. (It looked to me like RZ11 was somewhat dependent/connected to RZ10.) I voted AUS on these two, because I otherwise supported both bills, and I note that this isn't the first time I've voted against my own personal beliefs. (I'd be a better MC than Senator, in terms of towing my party's line. xD)

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

This is a really distressing development, that Senators are beginning to start asking their constituents how they should vote, even in situations where they have their own considered judgement on the situation. These "town halls" are prone to stacking by obstructionists - as this very House was once "stacked". Democracy fixed that - but can democracy fix this?

What you're saying then is that there is no way I can repropose something you'll vote for, because the people I really need to talk to are every single citizen of Maricopa? That's really bad and undemocratic.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Nov 22, 2014 22:28:53 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

This is a really distressing development, that Senators are beginning to start asking their constituents how they should vote, even in situations where they have their own considered judgement on the situation. These "town halls" are prone to stacking by obstructionists - as this very House was once "stacked". Democracy fixed that - but can democracy fix this?

What you're saying then is that there is no way I can repropose something you'll vote for, because the people I really need to talk to are every single citizen of Maricopa? That's really bad and undemocratic.

I take their concerns in an advisory capacity, and I would note that, unlike the views of some Maricopans, I did vote for the Interior Ministry. Having said that, if the Ziu just started passing whatever it wanted to without the support of the overall populace, that is what would be really bad and undemocratic.

I would also note that not everyone who participates in my town halls participates publicly, and I have had in the past several who privately sent me notes of concern.

[Eðo Grischun]

Nov 22, 2014 16:39:04 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Senators, since I have a mandate from the Cosâ to push forward on the reform of Finance and the technical changes to the Secretary of State's appointment (though not the OrgLaw amendments), I intend to repropose RZ9 and RZ11, once I can be sure that they will pass this august house.

While I don't expect any change in opinion from those Senators who were part of the old regime's "Fortress", I am concerned by how Senators Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun and Munditenens Tresplet voted on RZ9 and on how they and Senators Eðo Grischun and Lüc da Schir voted on RZ11. If you guys could explain why you voted down this bill (better than "my constituents are worried", please, Munditenens!) we can sort out improvements. I am actually quite distressed that none of you guys actually entered the debate.

I've addressed my minor concerns over RZ9 in the relevant Hopper thread. I'm sure the kinks can be ironed out on this one.


As for the SecState Bills. I don't think there's much you can do to win me over, I'm afraid. The meat'n'bones of RZ11 is the report thing. I don't see why we need it or how it doesn't make the SoS job harder. It's been pointed out that we already get all the reports we need from the Chancery. We get election results and Clark voting results. We can see when new citizens are officially stamped in. Census data reporting should be written into the Census Bill. The SoS is already overburdened. Actually, as a side thought, why don't you give the entire census portfolio to the Interior Ministry rather than the Chancery?

The other bits of RZ11 fall into the scope of RZ10 on a 'if this passes then that passes' kind of way. I don't like RZ10. I don't want the SecState being appointed by law. We have an appointment system that works fine plus we've recently learned that the system seriously saved our bacon once before.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Yeah, the issue is that the SoS is appointed by law, or at least can be, under the current OrgLaw. So do you want that provision deleted?