Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 17:49:33 GMT -6
None of your representations would work unfortunately because each in their own way violates the laws of heraldry. Come to think of it, even my own representation won't work because I included two different colors for argent. Here are two ways that would work (at least to give you some ideas). Attachments:
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 17:52:22 GMT -6
I think I am beginning to get it... These two examples should be permissible: h) and i) Because: 1 ) No color touches another color, and no metal touches another metal. In both cases, I have Brown + Silver + Gold + 1 other color (black or blue) + 4 symbols, so a complexity of 8. As for J (below), it would also be possible (but ugly: the silver on blue doesn't look good at all.. Yes, all three of these work. H has a complexity of 7, I has a complexity of 7, and J has a complexity of either 5 or 6.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 17:56:43 GMT -6
None of your representations would work unfortunately because each in their own way violates the laws of heraldry. Come to think of it, even my own representation won't work because I included two different colors for argent. Here are two ways that would work (at least to give you some ideas). Wait, the black under the beaver doesn't work (color on color...)
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 17:57:34 GMT -6
If H and I have a complexity of 7, could I get the wavy line in blue and the anvil in Black like I originally wanted?
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 18:03:24 GMT -6
None of your representations would work unfortunately because each in their own way violates the laws of heraldry. Come to think of it, even my own representation won't work because I included two different colors for argent. Here are two ways that would work (at least to give you some ideas). Wait, the black under the beaver doesn't work (color on color...) Yeah I know, was just showing you some ideas for colors.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 18:10:05 GMT -6
If H and I have a complexity of 7, could I get the wavy line in blue and the anvil in Black like I originally wanted? Like this? Attachments:
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 20, 2014 18:20:41 GMT -6
As for J (below), it would also be possible (but ugly: the silver on blue doesn't look good at all.. Silver on blue would probably look better if you use a slightly lighter shade of silver and/or a slightly darker shade of blue. But personally I am partial to just using white for argent.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 18:25:15 GMT -6
As for J (below), it would also be possible (but ugly: the silver on blue doesn't look good at all.. Silver on blue would probably look better if you use a slightly lighter shade of silver and/or a slightly darker shade of blue. But personally I am partial to just using white for argent. Yeah I've always favored white for argent also (as in this example). Attachments:
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 18:30:01 GMT -6
Or even this idea (I also made the barrulet thicker to see how it would look). Attachments:
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 18:32:37 GMT -6
But I don't have to decide which shade of blue or between White and Silver yet, right? (I am more partial to silver myself, to be honest) The King would attribute me on "A beaver on a Argent field" which either means white or silver? And could the F Berber symbol also be Argent? If so, I think we have a winner!
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 19:10:29 GMT -6
No, the important thing in heraldry is NOT the graphical depiction (the emblazon) but the written description (the blazon). The king awards the blazon and we do submit to him an emblazon but it can be different depending on the artist. If you like the one you depicted, I will work up the blazon and submit it to the King.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Aug 20, 2014 19:22:03 GMT -6
Ok we ran into a problem: the emblazon you depicted has a complexity of 9 so we need to reduce something. We can either make both the top and bottom halves silver or gold or we will have to remove one of the charges (didn't catch it until writing the blazon and counting the terms). Attachments:
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 21, 2014 2:34:07 GMT -6
I'll take the Argent one I guess, because then it gives me the option to replace the silver with white, a little like your example: Then, the berber letter, I guess, would be Gold (because otherwise, it would also be white) So sorry, I am guessing you had it right and yesterday, I ran in circles..
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 21, 2014 3:09:37 GMT -6
Then, the berber letter, I guess, would be Gold (because otherwise, it would also be white) Unfortunately, the letter would have to be white, because otherwise you still have five tinctures (argent, or, azure, sable, and proper) and four charges (the wavy line, the beaver, the anvil, and the letter) for an overall complexity of nine. The only ways to bring the complexity down to eight are completely removing one of the tinctures or removing one of the charges.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 21, 2014 3:13:00 GMT -6
Oh, so the Gold example from Txec isn't valid either, since the later is silver and not gold?
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