Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Apr 15, 2013 14:50:50 GMT -6
and here Attachments:
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Apr 15, 2013 17:39:21 GMT -6
Election results added to the Wiki here.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Apr 15, 2013 17:51:20 GMT -6
The way I interpret the law it says: 1. Each party shall receive a percentage of the seats as equal as possible to its percentage of the popular vote. 2. If two or more parties are equally close to a whole seat, the party with the highest number of total votes will get it. 3. If there is a tie (because two or more parties are equally close to a whole seat AND have the same number of total votes), percentile dice will be used. Which means that LPR will get the odd seat. So, your interpretation is that the "highest number of total votes" language is basically a tie-breaker, to be applied before the percentile dice tie-breaker, even though only the latter is introduced by the language "in case of a tie." The percentile dice would therefore only be used when the percentages for each participant for the role are identical, as in 50%-50%, or 33-33-33, or 25-25-25-25. I don't think it's the most straightforward interpretation of the language, but it's plausible, and gives at least some effect to all parts of the text. I once posted some Witt X links to some discussion of the relevant language from the EM200 debates, but of course that's lost now, and I can't remember the details. *sigh* This is why we should have a proper divisor régime for allocating seats - d'Hondt or Sainte-Laguë or similar - rather than this percentile dice nonsense. It's these silly little pitfalls in the OrgLaw which make me sympathetic to a Constitutional Convention. As Anglatzara interprets the language, I don't see why the SoS couldn't use one of those techniques. Past practice basically seems to be to use the Hamilton method (largest remainder with Hare quota). Incidentally, by my calculations, both the d'Hondt method and the Sainte-Laguë method would result in the RUMP receiving the extra seat, for a total of 99. With the d'Hondt method, even if the Cosa were 201 or 202 seats, the extra seats would go to the RUMP (for a RUMP total of 100 or 101, respectively). This is because the difference in the RUMP's quotient between a divisor of /99 and /100 or /101 is small compared to the difference between quotients for a /6 and /7 divisor for LRT, or even a /29 and /30 divisor for ZRT.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Apr 15, 2013 17:59:56 GMT -6
Yeah, well, the precise procedure should be in law (statue rather than organic) so we don't have the SoS pulling things out of his ciúl.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 18:09:37 GMT -6
Yeah, well, the precise procedure should be in law (statue rather than organic) so we don't have the SoS pulling things out of his ciúl. Perhaps if you saw Sir Iusti's rabbit trick you would feel differently.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Apr 15, 2013 18:16:40 GMT -6
Yeah, well, the precise procedure should be in law (statue rather than organic) so we don't have the SoS pulling things out of his ciúl. Perhaps if you saw Sir Iusti's rabbit trick you would feel differently.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Apr 15, 2013 18:23:46 GMT -6
Hey, that trick absolutely kills at parties.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
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Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Apr 15, 2013 18:36:06 GMT -6
Unfortunately, what it kills is usually the rabbit.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Apr 15, 2013 19:02:28 GMT -6
Also, Party-leader-type people should head over to the Ziu board and tell me how to cut the pie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 19:34:13 GMT -6
Hey, that trick absolutely kills at parties. I always figured you had a knack for turning tricks...
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Post by Vitxalmour Conductour on Apr 15, 2013 19:41:16 GMT -6
Unfortunately, what it kills is usually the rabbit. the best part of reading comments backwards is that I thought this was an old school pregnancy test reference and it just got wierder as I read back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 19:45:05 GMT -6
Hey, that trick absolutely kills at parties. In other news, Sir Iusti has been banned from several venues after a most unfortunate bar mitzvah in West Orange, NJ. It was terrible. The children were weeping into their schmaltz sandwiches for weeks afterward. On the plus side, he will be featured in a one man musical debuting this fall (book by Harvey Fierstein).
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Apr 15, 2013 20:04:16 GMT -6
Yeah, well, the precise procedure should be in law (statue rather than organic) so we don't have the SoS pulling things out of his ciúl. On a more serious note, I would be all for writing a more precise procedure into the law. We could basically trim Art VIII Sec 2 down to its first paragraph and add "as specified by law," then put the details in a statute. I think the Hamilton method is a pretty good one for our purposes, though.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Apr 15, 2013 20:06:59 GMT -6
Yeah, well, the precise procedure should be in law (statue rather than organic) so we don't have the SoS pulling things out of his ciúl. On a more serious note, I would be all for writing a more precise procedure into the law. We could basically trim Art VIII Sec 2 down to its first paragraph and add "as specified by law," then put the details in a statute. I think the Hamilton method is a pretty good one for our purposes, though. I support this. Once MC's are named we can hopper something along these lines.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Apr 15, 2013 21:28:28 GMT -6
Hey, that trick absolutely kills at parties. In other news, Sir Iusti has been banned from several venues after a most unfortunate bar mitzvah in West Orange, NJ. It was terrible. The children were weeping into their schmaltz sandwiches for weeks afterward. On the plus side, he will be featured in a one man musical debuting this fall (book by Harvey Fierstein). Lies! Lies and slander! It was East Orange, NJ, and I'm only banned from Orthodox Jewish services/ceremonies.
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