[ZRT CONVENTION] Proposals for ZRT Manifesto

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Jan 4, 2013 6:10:50 GMT -6 Óïn Ursüm said:

Jan 4, 2013 5:53:47 GMT -6 ián txáglh said:

there are monarchies with vacant thrones. hungary has since XI. cc a position of palatine, who is the steward/viceregent of kindgom, when the throne is vacant. in pre-war2 hungary, the palatine was head of state. it is a special position not to be misread as regent.

Also, Gondor.

Yeah, but Denethor was a bit of a doorknob.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

I'd like to propose an additional amendment:

That the party moves to agitate at a provincial level for the renaming of provinces with the names of foreign politicians, replacing them with Talossan names instead.

[Óïn Ursüm]

The Chair notes, records and publishes the amendment proposed by Carlüs Xheraltescu.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

I disagree with 1 d) "ZRT provincial representatives to support their provinces to shift to a Direct Democracy / Atheni provinces to shift to a Direct Democracy / Atheni democracy framework, such as already exists in Fiôvâ and has been suggested for Vuode Fiôvâ and has been suggested for Vuode(suggested by E. D. Ürsüm)"

I beleve we should respect the right of the province to choose its own governmental structure for thats what the majority of citizens in the province have elected to have. So i belive that if this fails to happen (to change into a stucture like flovia) then we should have a policy which leads to Executive Powers for the Ziu to correct the failings of provinces which are detremental to provincinces eg failings to establish a full government. The Ziu should be given powers to appoint members to government posts however the guidelines of appointment should not conflict the provinces contitutional boundries of the role. (if any of that makes sence)

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

I am strongly opposed to excessive meddling with provincial affairs from a national legislative body.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Im not saying excessive. But just enought to get a province on its feet. But to be honest i think.that if a province has hardly any involvement meddling wont help much. But putting just enough in place might just help provincial involvement go up. Im not sure that changing the government structure wpuld help much with involvement.

[Óïn Ursüm]

Should I consider your proposal as a proposed amendment, Citizen Cuntainça?

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Yes please

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Eoin, would it be possible to remove the section detailing Athenian democracy as being a framework to emulate, since their democratic framework is very different to the direct democracy we all know and love in modern day society? If not, I might have to vote against it on principal.

[Óïn Ursüm]

The Chair notes, records and publishes the amendment proposed by Evan Cuntainça.

This doesn't need to be counterposed with my own amendment, because the Ziu stepping in is dependent on the provincial constitution.

[Óïn Ursüm]

Eoin, would it be possible to remove the section detailing Athenian democracy as being a framework, since their democratic framework is very different to the direct democracy we all know and love in modern day society? If not, I might have to vote against it on principal.

The Chair allows E. D. Ursüm to edit his own amendment.

(remember that the list that will be voted on is the one in the Chair's post, not Miestrâ's initial post).

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Jan 5, 2013 10:02:09 GMT -6 Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir said:

I disagree with 1 d) "ZRT provincial representatives to support their provinces to shift to a Direct Democracy / Atheni provinces to shift to a Direct Democracy / Atheni democracy framework, such as already exists in Fiôvâ and has been suggested for Vuode Fiôvâ and has been suggested for Vuode(suggested by E. D. Ürsüm)"

I beleve we should respect the right of the province to choose its own governmental structure for thats what the majority of citizens in the province have elected to have. So i belive that if this fails to happen (to change into a stucture like flovia) then we should have a policy which leads to Executive Powers for the Ziu to correct the failings of provinces which are detremental to provincinces eg failings to establish a full government. The Ziu should be given powers to appoint members to government posts however the guidelines of appointment should not conflict the provinces contitutional boundries of the role. (if any of that makes sence)

To what extent would you argue that the Ziu should interfere?

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Just that set out in the proposed bill Conciquences of Failure Act (i thonk thats what its called)

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Oh, so you're only formalising the party's position on that bill?

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Bacicly yeah