Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Dec 3, 2012 19:14:56 GMT -6
My dear Senator -
I think you mistook M-M for France.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 10:59:56 GMT -6
Tomato/Tomahto. But history does speak for itself.
--------------- Google Report of M-M Military Victories ---------------
- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of M-M’er Warfare; "Maritiimi-Maxhestic's armies are victorious only when not led by a M-M’erman." Sainted.
- Fivoan Wars - Lost. Maritiimi-Maxhestic becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Fivoans.
- Wars of Religion - Maritiimi-Maxhestic goes 0-5-4 against the Dandenburgers
- Thirty Years War - Maritiimi-Maxhestic is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
- War of Revolution - Tied. M-M’ermen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
- The Maricopa War - Tied
- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/M-M’er and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Cod-ophiles the world over to label the period as the height of M-M’er military power.
- War of the Talossan Succession - Lost. The War also gave the M-M’er their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
- Talossan Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Talossans, Maritiimi-Maxhestic claims a win even though the Colorodean colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of M-M’er Warfare; "Maritiimi-Maxhestic only wins when Colorado does most of the fighting."
- M-M’er Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also M-M’er.
- The Davinescuic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Floridian, who ended up being no match for a Dandenburgian footwear designer.
- The M-Mo-Florencia War - Lost. Florencia first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to Maritiimi-Maxhestic's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
- World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, Maritiimi-Maxhestic is saved by the Vuodians [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of M-M’er women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by Vuodian forces forestalls any improvement in the M-M’er bloodline.
- World War II - Lost. Conquered M-M’er liberated by the Kingdom of Talossa just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
- War in Indochina - Lost. M-M’er forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu
- Vuodian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Berber force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the M-M’er." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Ataturkians, Benetians, Cezembreians, Fivoans, Forencians, Maricopans, and Vuodian/Dandenburgers.
- War on Terrorism - Maritiimi-Maxhestic, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Dandenburgers and Berbers just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Maricopian ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
The question for any country silly enough to count on the M-M’er should not be "Can we count on the M-M’er?", but rather "How long until Maritiimi-Maxhestic collapses?"
"Going to war without Maritiimi-Maxhestic is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."
Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."
With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:
Berber invasions, 841-911. After having their way with the M-M’er for 70 years, the Berber are bribed by a M-M’er King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Northern M-M in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in Maritiimi-Maxhestic's [favour] for next 500 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 13:51:15 GMT -6
Where are we on the Constitution? Are we ready to submit?
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 10, 2012 16:38:16 GMT -6
I'm not sure. I've not addressed any of Sir T's input other than the preamble - which might or might not fit with the rest of the text. I'll give things a look over this week and polish up the draft for say Friday?
Personally, I'd like this put to bed before end of Clark 5, giving us just over a month of leeway before the General Election. Still some time before balls to the wall time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 6:13:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm thinking I'd like to have this done and ready to go also.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Dec 12, 2012 20:55:56 GMT -6
Noticed a couple of errors in my original Talossan version, so here 'tis again. PRÜMA SECUND COPIALA CONSTITUZIUN DALS PROVINÇUNS ÜNITS DA VUODE ES DANDENBUERG1
Práimhoct
Noi, els citaxhiens dals Provinçuns Ünits da Vuode es Dandenbuerg perventüra avandunent es renonçent la constituziun provincial come ratificada in 2010. Noi adoptent es ratifichent el documenteu sovind come la constituziun dal provinçù svo àð sigüriçarh noschtri drepts unaglhenaval autuxheziun es à toct i pevarhen qi non sint vestats in el Regipäts par el Legeu Orgänic. Noi reconeiçent la secedaziun dal provinçù del Regipäts Talossan da Noemvar dallas 1992, qi'st qualuncmint nominada "las 21 Ziuas Gloriösen," àð estarh retro'actíumint unorgänic. Noi quairent à developarh ün governamaintsch provincial qe prevalarha contra las febleiças þumaes es la corumpaziun. Noi quairent à developarh ün süstem in qe ingen citaxhien adült dal provinçù tent el drept à represantarh-se in la proceßa lexhislatíu. Noi cherent qe noastra provinçù vixhadra es zevenadra actíu es noi desirent ün governamaintsch qe put travalarh per acestilor bupts es travalarha pr'acestilor.
Artical I: Els Pünts d'Estat
SECZIUN 1: La nómina uficial dal Provinçù, in el glheþ naziunal, isch Las Provinçuns Ünits da Vuode es Dandenbuerg. In l'Angleasca, la nómina dal Provinçù isch The United Provinces of Vuode and Dandenburg. Embù la nómina dal Provinçù in l'Angleasca es in el glheþ naziunal povent estarh scurznificadas à Vuode, Dandenbuerg, las Provinçuns Ünits, eda the United Provinces.
SECZIUN 2: La teriorita da Vuode qomsista toct dal tzara qi'st àl sudur à Kenwood2, àl est da Maryland2, es àl nordur da North es Park Road2.
SECZIUN 3: Ingen tzaras eda ínsulas qi sint formads eda q'apiarent in Vuode s'apa teritorial, totalmint eda pärtsmint, formarhent ün pärts dal teritoria provincial.
SECZIUN 4: Vuode qomsista doua cantons: Vuode es Dún Cestour.
SECZIUN 5: El capital da vuode isch el Pontiac3. Masmint, per pürpösen sentimintais, el Praitorieu serà vardveitat com'iens capital þistoric.
Artical II: El Cunstaval
SECZIUN 1: Toct i pevarhen qi sint zonats àl Regeu sür el nival naziunal serent zonats àl Cunstaval sür el nival provincial.
SECZIUN 2: El Cunstaval serà respunsaval à cunventarh es zißolvarh cadascu seßiun dels Estats Xhenerais.
SECZIUN 3: El Cunstaval serà respunsaval àð indetxerarh es à firarh el Premieir.
SECZIUN 4: El Cunstaval serà respunsaval àð indetxerarh es à firarh els Süfets del Päx.
SECZIUN 5: El Cunstaval serà respunsaval àð enrexhistrarh es à certifiarh els partis politicais in Vuode.
Artical III: Eleziuns àls Estats Xhenerais
SECZIUN 1: Els Estats Xhenerais, eda in l'Angleasca, the States General, isch el cußeglh lexhislatíu provincial da Vuode.
SECZIUN 2: Toct citaxhiens adülts da Vuode sint electaval per l'eleziun àls Estats Xhenerais.
SECZIUN 3: Toct citaxhiens adülts da Vuode sint ticiuleschti à votarh in las eleziuns àls Estats Xhenerais.
SECZIUN 4: Las Seßiuns Grülts dals Estats Xhenerais sint xhuschtairs cunventadas es zißolvadas cün acestilor del Ziu naziunal. C'e à zirarh qe las eleziuns provincias sint holdadas simultanmint cün las eleziuns xhenerais naziunais.
SECZIUN 5: Las eleziuns serent holdadas eftir ingen Legeu Burgal4 aplicaval dals Provinçuns Ünits.
SECZIUN 6: Dürant cadascu eleziun, ün perziun put votarh pr'iens parti political enrexhistrat, àð estarh zesfinat par legeu da din la provinçù da Vuode. Els eschcaes serent aðsignats basats pa la represantaziun equilibrada. Cadascu parti à'cest temp aðsignarha sieux eschcaes come ça txuxhadra àð estarh neceßar.
Artical IV: Cunpoçaziun dels Estats Xhenerais
SECZIUN 1: Els Estats Xhenerais sint ün aßemblatx d'iensa cámera es d'eschaes mutipais qe qomsista d'iens amint d'eschcaes qi'st el mismeu qe l'amint dals votas in l'eleziun previös.
SECZIUN 2: Els membreux qi tiennent dels eschcaes sint nomineschti Cunçeleirs.
SECZIUN 3: Els Cunçeleirs povent tirh dels eschcaes mutipais.
SECZIUN 4: El cäps del governamaintsch provincial isch cogneçescu com'el Premieir.
SECZIUN 5: El Premieir isch el duceu provincial del parti el pü grült q'esteva electat àls Estats Xhenerais.
SECZIUN 6: Els Estats Xhenerais coptarhent es electarhent ün uficieir Presidind da sieu propreu organ àl començaziun da cadascu Seßiun Grült. L'Uficieir Presidind cunventarha es conduçarha las seßiuns lexhislatíus dels Estats Xhenerais in ün façiun qi'st similar àl Secretar d'Estat sür el nival naziunal es eftir ingen Legeu Burgal4 aplicaval dals Provinçuns Ünits.
Artical V: La Validaziun dal Lexhislaziun
SECZIUN 1: Ingen lexhislaziun provincial institutada isch cogneçada com'iens Legeu Burgal4 dals Provinçuns Ünits.
SECZIUN 2: Els Legeux Burgais4 dals Provinçuns Ünits sint validats par üna maxhorità simpil dels Estats Xhenerais.
SECZIUN 3: Cadascu Seßiun Grült dels Estats Xhenerais qomistarha sex seßiuns lexhislatíus, similar àl s'chedül del Ziu naziunal.
SECZIUN 4: Las seßiuns lexhislatíus sint cunventadas es conduçadas par l'Uficieir Presidind.
SECZIUN 5: Els proxhets qi sint validats tent àð estarh signats par el Cunstaval. Els proxhets sint validats sileçadamint osprei 30 ziuas.
SECZIUN 6: El Premieir put façarh ün 'Descreschamaintsch dals Provinçuns Ünits' (DPÜ). Ün DPÜ preinda la forziun pien d'iens Legeu Burgal4 dals Provinçuns Ünits. Els Estats Xhenerais povent renonçarh ün DPÜ par üna maxhorità da doua-tierçéux.
SECZIUN 7: El Cunstaval put vetoïçarh ingen Proxhet eda DPÜ.
Artical VI: Las Votas da Confiençù
SECZIUN 1: Ingen Cunçeleir dels Estas Xhenerais put, àð ingen temp dürant üna Seßiun Grült, propoçarh üna Vota d'Aucün Confiençù in acest organ. Quand qe tal proxhet isch propoçat, ça serà subxhect à'iensa vota in la próxima seßiun lexhislatíu avalaval. Schi el Proxhet estadra validat, el Cunstaval zißolvarha la Seßiun Grült es governarha la provinçù sub la Corona txusca la próxima eleziun provincial.
Artical VII: El Cort
SECZIUN 1: El pevarh xhüdesch dal provinçù serà vestat in viens Süfet del Päx sè Cort es in tais sagrüts xhüdeschen inferiors com'els Estats Xhenerais da temp à temp establischarh.
SECZIUN 2: El Süfet del Päx sè Cort tiennent el xhuristiçal final över toct facendas citanais es criminais arivind da es pertanchind àl provinçù da Vuode.
SECZIUN 3: Ün cadì del cort provincial isch cogneçescu com'el Süfet del Päx (SP) es isch ün laïc del legeu. Ün Süfet del Päx tent àð estarh ün citaxhien da Vuode d'iens nival socialt ben. Non j'ont aucüns restrinçamaintschen ocupaziunais sür l'óifisch. Non j'ont aucüns minimüms eda maximüms del númerul da SPs.
SECZIUN 4: Cadascu Süfet del Päx isch àl prüm coptescu par el Premieir àls Estas Xhenerais. Els Estats Xhenerais electarhent cadascu JP qi'st coptescu par üna vota d'iens maxhorità. El Cunstaval à'cest temp indetxerarha el coptescu ainciün l'óifisch.
SECZIUN 5: Ün Süfet del Päx tischa l'óifisch per vida. Ün SP put estarh removescu del óifisch par üna vota d'iensa maxhorità dels Estas Xhenerais. Ün SP ocsà put estarh removescu del óifisch àl plaschair del Cunstaval. Ün SP ocsà put profrarh sieu resignaziun àl Cunstaval àð ingen temp.
SECZIUN 6: Cadascu cauça serà apoartada à es auscultada in el Süfet del Päx sè Cort efter ingen procedançeu eda protocol qi'st zesfinat par els Legeux Burgais4 dals Provinçuns Ünits schi acestilor procedançeux non prevarica sür ün citaxhien sè drepts es livertaes sub el Legeu Orgänic.
SECZIUN 7: Ingen zeciziun qi'st facescu par el Süfet del Päx sè Cort put estarh desfisada par zonind ün apialaziun cün el Clarqeu dels Corts sür el nival naziunal.
Artical VIII: Amendments to the Constitution
SECZIUN 1: Els amendamaintschen solamint povent estarh propoçats par els Estats Xhenerais, qi tent àð aprovarh-lor àl ünanimità. À'cest temp l'amendamaintsch isch deliverat àls popuis da Vuode dürant la próxima eleziun xheneral, qi tiennet àð aprovarh-en par üna maxhorità da doua-tierçéux.
Sa zirent els Citaxhiens da Vuode.NOTES:1: The proper name of Dandenburg in Talossan would be Dandenbuerg, since the Talossan -buerg is a direct analogue to English "-burg." 2: I will have to get back to you on street names; don't know what all we have and haven't translated. 3: Unsure if a Talossan version of this name exists. Further research is required. 4: "Bylaws" in Talossan is constituziun so "United Provinces Byelaw" presents a small problem, but I think this works.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 20, 2012 11:10:39 GMT -6
DRAFTTHE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED PROVINCES OF VUODE AND DANDENBURG
Preamble
We, The citizens of The United Provinces of Vuode and Dandenburg hereby abandon and repeal the provincial constitution as ratified in 2010. We adopt and ratify the following document as the constitution of the province to assure our inalienable rights of self-governance and to all powers not vested in the Kingdom by the Organic Law. We recognize the secession of the province from the Kingdom of Talossa of November of 1992, commonly called the “Glorious 21 Days,” as retroactively illegal under the Organic Law. We seek to develop a provincial government that will withstand human foibles and corruption. We seek to develop a system in which any adult citizen of the province has the right to represent themselves in the legislative process. We wish for our province to flourish and become active and desire a government that can and will work towards these goals.
Article I: Points of State
SECTION 1: The official name of the Province, in the national language, is Las Provinçuns Ünits da Vuode es Dandenburg. In English, the name of the Province is The United Provinces of Vuode and Dandenburg. Both the name of the Province in English and in the national language may be shortened to Vuode, Dandenburg, the United Provinces, or Las Provincuns Ünits.
SECTION 2: The territory of Vuode consists of all land south of Kenwood, east of Maryland, and North of North and Park Road.
SECTION 3: Any lands or islands that are formed or that may appear in Vuode’s territorial water, in whole or in part, shall form a part of the provincial territory.
SECTION 4: Vuode consists of two cantons: Vuode and Dun Cestour.
SECTION 5: The capital of Vuode is the Pontiac. However, for sentimental purposes, the Pavilion shall be enshrined as a historical capital.
Article II: The Cunstaval
SECTION 1: All powers given to the King on the national level shall be given the Cunstaval on the provincial level.
SECTION 2: The Cunstaval shall be responsible for the swearing in of each member of the Estats Xhenerais and the dissolving of each Grand Session of the Estats Xhenerais.
SECTION 3: The Cunstaval shall be responsible for the swearing in and dismissal of the Premier.
Article III: The Estats Xhenerais
SECTION 1: The Estats Xhenerais, or in English, the States General, is the provincial legislative council of Vuode. It is a unicameral, multi-seat assembly which consist of as many seats as were claimed during the previous national general election period.
SECTION 2: All adult citizens of Vuode are eligible to be seated in the Estats Xhenerais.
SECTION 3: Grand Sessions of the Estats Xhenerais are instantly convened and dissolved with those of the national Ziu.
SECTION 5: Any adult citizen of Vuode may claim a seat in the Estats Xhenerais during the period in which a national general election is taking place. This is done by making a declaration in public as follows: "I, name, hereby claim my right to be seated in the next Grand Session of the Estats Xhenerais". The citizen shall then be officially seated after swearing or affirming oath to the Cunstaval. The exact process of this shall be determined by United Provinces Byelaw.
SECTION 6: Members holding seats are known as Councillors.
SECTION 7: Councillors may not hold multiple seats.
SECTION 8: The provincial head of government is known as the Premier.
SECTION 9: The Estats Xhererais will nominate and elect the Premier from within it's own body as the first order of business of each Grand Session. Premiers may only serve two consecutive terms at a time. Their is no upper limit to repeating service after a break in service.
SECTION 10: The Estats Xhererais will nominate and elect a Presiding Officer from within it's own body as the second order of business of each Grand Session. The Presiding Officer shall convene and conduct legislative sessions of the Estats Xhenerais in a manner similar to the Secretary of State on the national level and in accordance with any applicable United Provinces Byelaw. The Presiding Officer shall be responsible for keeping the Digest of Byelaws updated. Presiding Officers may serve multiple terms if the Estats Xhenerais so deems.
Article IV: Passing Legislation
SECTION 1: Any provincial legislation in effect is known as a United Provinces Byelaw.
SECTION 2: United Provinces Byelaws are passed by a simple majority of the Estats Xhenerais.
SECTION 3: Each Grand Session of the Estats Xhenerais shall be made of six legislative sessions and shall mirror the schedule of the national Ziu. This includes any months of recess.
SECTION 4: Legislative sessions are convened and conducted by the Presiding Officer.
SECTION 5: Bills that have passed must be signed by the Cunstaval. Bills are silently assented to after 30 days.
SECTION 6: The Premier may make a 'United Provinces Decree' (UPD). A UPD takes full force of United Provinces Byelaw. The Estats Xhenerais may repeal a UPD by 2/3 majority.
SECTION 7: The Cunstaval may Veto any Bill.
Article V: Votes of Confidence
SECTION 1: Any Councillor of the Estats Xhenerais may, at any time during a Grand Session, propose a Bill of No Confidence in that body. When such a Bill is proposed it shall be voted upon in the next available legislative session. If the Bill passes then the Cunstaval shall dissolve the Grand Session and govern the province under Crown rule until the next scheduled Grand Session.
Article VI: Judicial Powers
SECTION 1: The judicial power of the province shall be vested in the Estats Xhenerais.
SECTION 2: All matters of grievance shall be brought before the Estats Xhenerais who shall deliberate and make judgement on the matter at hand. This shall be carried out in accordance with any applicable Vuodean Byelaw
SECTION 3: Any decision made by the Estats Xhenerais in this manner may be challenged by filing an appeal with the Clerk of Courts on the national level.
Article VII: Amendments to the Constitution
SECTION 1: Amendments may only be proposed by the Estats Xhenerais which must unanimously approve them. The amendment is then delivered to the people of Vuode during the next general election who must approve it by a two thirds majority.
So say the Citizens of Vuode.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 20, 2012 11:15:40 GMT -6
How's this?
(With apologies to Iustí)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 22:24:59 GMT -6
Seems good to me!
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 21, 2012 7:12:16 GMT -6
Okay. If Sir T likes it, I guess we can move from 'draft' to 'proposed' and decide on the process for referendum.
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