Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Feb 3, 2013 17:40:52 GMT -6
While I appreciate the reforming spirit of the bill, I don't agree with much of it.
Instead of changing maximum seat limits/party rules etc., I think we should try to replace the current system with a direct democracy where people announce their participation in as given session.
Also, I don't think it's the senator's job to get involved with provincial constitutional business. An Organically-defined national office should probably stick to its Organic function of representing the province.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 3, 2013 17:48:13 GMT -6
I honestly though of that however i was thinking this to be a transitional stage because without active citizens a direct democracy wont work so this is an interim to try to help provoke activity before a direct democracy can be formed.
And i know. But there needs to be a procedure in the case of the commons not electinging a basbakan promptly. We could though invest that piwer in the provincial secutary set out in the bill.
thats the reasons for this approach for the time being.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 4, 2013 8:33:44 GMT -6
I wish to formally withdraw the proposed act from consideration for the vote following concerns and clarity issues. I shall draw up a second draft for consideration which i shall put forward to debate. It is unlikely this shall be voted on in this session of the commons so it is likely to be proposed in the next commons unless discussions have ended in time for a vote to be held.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 4, 2013 9:56:36 GMT -6
Its just come to my attention that we also need to fill the pisition of the speaker of the commons aswell.
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Feb 4, 2013 10:39:45 GMT -6
Its just come to my attention that we also need to fill the pisition of the speaker of the commons aswell. Nah, the Speaker is just a title of the Basbakan.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 4, 2013 11:15:23 GMT -6
Ahh yes i see. The basbakan acts as both. Though there is provision for an exeutive and a speaker though. Its a strange constitution.
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Atatürkey, and flying by the seat of my RUMP
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Post by Brad Holmes on Feb 5, 2013 0:12:14 GMT -6
Ahh yes i see. The basbakan acts as both. Though there is provision for an exeutive and a speaker though. Its a strange constitution. No, there is not a provision for an executive beyond the royally appointed Cunstaval. The Basbakan is the speaker. Bills that pass the House are sent to the Cunstaval. And no, this constitution is not strange. Typed, spell checked, and formatted from a touch screen device. It can be done!
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 5, 2013 3:54:08 GMT -6
There is such a thing as political executives which is what a head of government is. Also even though i was slightly mistaken on the separate duties of speaker and the executive for they are one person still. However what does not mean that the constitution does not have wording to that effect fir Article III. Section III of the constitution reads (in part):-"The House of Commons will elect one member of the House of Commons to be the Speaker of the Chamber and Executive of Atatürk, or the Başbakan"
therefore a basbakan is basically those roles with a fancy title. (Or they may be two separate people and the basbakan is both. The wording is unclear)
And i withdraw mt statement saying the constitution is strange and substitute that in my opinion the constitution is strange.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 5, 2013 14:46:34 GMT -6
I hereby present my Second draft to the house to debate. (Draft in its own thread)
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Feb 7, 2013 20:00:32 GMT -6
After a couple of days grace i hereby formally propose the following bill to the house for a vote at the Basbakan's discretion as per the constitution:-
Constitutional Amendment Act
WHEREAS,The current Constitution is defunct in maintaining Provincial Activity.
WHEREAS, Without Activity our Once Great Province has become a Ghost Province
WHEREAS, The Tumbleweeds are a Health Hazard
WHEREAS, The present way, set under our constitution of appointing Members of Commons is inefficient, as is the procedure to elect The Basbakan of Ataturk
THEREFORE, We the Citizens of Ataturk hereby formally change, By Vote of the Commons, and general consent of Ataturk Citizens by Referendum, Change sections One and Three of Article II of the Ataturk Constitution to the following:-
SECTION ONE:- Provincial Law making powers shall be invested in the Ataturk House of Commons. Seats in the Commons shall be distributed by Provincial Elections which runs along side, but independent of the National Elections. Each member wishing to run for election to the house must belong to a political party, and formally declare their candidacy at least TWO weeks before said elections. The vote shall be conducted by The Provincial Secretary (the first elections shall be run by Our Cunsterval for reasons given later). The Provincial Secretary can choose to conduct elections by either a secret or a public ballot (the P.S's discretion). Each member of the House must have attained AT LEAST 4 votes. Each member shall be awarded 6 seats in the commons. The party which has the majority of members of the commons shall form the majority Provincial Elections, In the event of a tie then the elections will be re run if a coalition cannot be formed. Upon the end of the elections in the first Ataturk Commons after this constitution passed, they shall nominate and elect a Provincial Secretary and every Two years Thereafter. Which MUST happen withing 10 days of the election completion. (The Provincial Secretary does not have to be a commons member). Then the Provincial Secretary shall conduct the Basbakan Elections.
SECTION 3:- (...and rules conduct with the Chamber.). The Provincial Secretary will be in charge of Conducting All Non Legislative votes in the Commons, The elections if the Basbakan and Provincial Elections. They shall also bear the title "Keeper of All Provincial Records". The Provincial Secretary will declare formally the elections results and shall introduce the elected Basbakan to the Commons. Upon completion of the last Provincial Elections two years after the they were first appointed they will write a writ if resignation to the Basbakan. Who will then conduct the elections for a new secretary. If any position is failed to be filled in the prescribed measures and time constraints the Cunsterval shall have the right to appoint the vacant posts. If however the Provincial Secretary is unable to conduct the elections to the Commons he retains the right to give the Secretary of State that individual elections to conduct.
This Constitutional Amendment Act is done by the will of the Ataturk House of Commons and the Citizens of Ataturk by a referendum.
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Feb 8, 2013 3:18:51 GMT -6
Does anyone see a need for me to postpone the vote on S:reu Cuntainça's amendment, or should I make a "Summons to Vote" immediately?
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Feb 10, 2013 7:43:11 GMT -6
Okay then, I'll make the "clearly marked thread" as mandated by the Constitution.
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