Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 17, 2010 21:54:07 GMT -6
Thank you , S:reu Tzaracomprada.
S:reu Davis, you have the floor for your follow up response.
(Btw, if any Citizens of M-M would like to have me pose a question to our Candidates, please PM me )
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 17, 2010 22:25:34 GMT -6
We should not do things just because other governments do them, we should do things because they're good for Talossa. If you would like our government to send money to Haiti officially, like other nations, then I can only expect a proposal to tax our citizens. Failing such collection of public funds - which I oppose - all that we would be doing would be forcing private charity to follow the whims of public bureaucracy. Dressing up the contributions of our citizens in a governmental mask is a waste of resources and energies.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 17, 2010 23:45:40 GMT -6
Senator Preston, I would like to ask if it is possible to stay on this topic for a bit more? There are important distinctions here for voters to consider. Is that OK?
Edited: Punctuation.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 17, 2010 23:58:46 GMT -6
S:reu Tzaracomprada -
Would you be willing to have the option to re-address this topic as a follow up discussion? Perhaps after the initial series of questions are discussed, we can allow another round where we bring back topics that the two Candidates would like to continue debate?
In that we have 6 weeks to have this debate, I hope to address a series of issues first.
Phase 2 will be on how the Candidates intend on advancing M-M, and what projects they will attempt to advance for our Province.
Perhaps we can have a Phase 3, where the Candidates can pose questions to each other?
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Edit: to clarify a muddled comment
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 18, 2010 0:01:24 GMT -6
Speaking for myself, that sounds fine. I think anything we want to re-visit could then be brought up in the third phase.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 18, 2010 0:12:32 GMT -6
Senator Preston, your plan sounds wonderful. I will wait to pursue this very important topic more in the third round. I am ready for the next issue.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 18, 2010 0:37:06 GMT -6
The next issue : The Talossan Neutrality Act. Pro? Con? Why?
S:reu Davis, you have the floor.
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Edit : Typo.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 18, 2010 1:00:36 GMT -6
Thank you, Senator.
The Talossa Neutrality Act is inorganic, and I would oppose it.
Org.XI.4 clearly states that the Seneschal may "declare war pending approval of the Cosa." In order to amend such a broad and clear dispensation of power, an amendment to the Organic Law would have to be made. No bill can redefine any terms of the Organic Law; to say that the power to "declare war" means "but only for defensive purposes" is like passing a bill announcing that the King's power to grant title can only be exercised on Tuesdays. I would have no choice but to vote against this bill, because no statute can rewrite any portion of our highest law.
As an addendum, I should say that I think this bill is very admirable in intent. As a staunch pacifist in my personal life, I would never want to see my nation involved in any war but one of defense of our people and soil. I agree with every single one of the Whereases that preface the bill, and pray that my country never becomes involved in any malignant wars.
So while I am forced to say that this bill should never pass because it is inorganic, I have to say that I hope to see a different version in the future, which proposes as non-binding (and thus organic) policy that Talossa fight in no wars unless she is threatened. Let's write a version that works, to ensure peace for the future.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 18, 2010 1:20:25 GMT -6
Thanks you , S:reu Davis. S:reu Tzaracomprada, the question is yours to answer.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 18, 2010 15:30:47 GMT -6
Once again I think that the legislative review process worked if not a little confusingly this time.
I may be wrong here but it seems apparent that the author of the bill had initially intended for this to be an Amendment, then under the suggestion of the Minister of Defense submitted it as a Statutory Act, and then was changed again to an Amendment (I read for his post on Dec. 2 2009) before I voted. After this further revision it was improved and I was able to vote "PER" on it in this current Cosa.
If that reading is correct then I see no inorganic measures as it is within the power of the Ziu to amend even our highest laws with popular approval of course and upon request for further judgment from the Uppermost Cort.
Further, precisely because I am not a pacifist, it seems laudable to me, to provide further guidance on war powers and the use of our defense forces in times of uncertainty.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 18, 2010 15:52:25 GMT -6
Thank you , S:reu Tzaracomprada.
S:reu Davis, you have the floor for your follow up response.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 18, 2010 17:27:00 GMT -6
I regret to say that MC Tzaracomprada appears to be mistaken. The email sent out by the Secretary of State is called an "Act," and makes no amendments or changes to the Organic Law. It is a simple statute. As such, it is in fact beyond the Ziu's power to pass it in my opinion, because no statute can contradict or amend the Organic Law. To change the meaning of a phrase is to amend it, and an amendment requires 2/3 of the Ziu and a referendum. It is unfortunate a vote was made in such error.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 18, 2010 19:08:31 GMT -6
Thanks you , S:reu Davis. S:reu Tzaracomprada, the floor is yours.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 18, 2010 20:04:57 GMT -6
Yes S:reu Davis, we are both acutely aware of the unfortunate consequences of lapses in decision-making and/or judgment. After speaking with Secretary Preston and MC Molinar for clarification it is clear that it was intended as an Act.
I must say that I agree with S:reu Davis. A statute cannot amend the Organic Law. I have changed my original "PER" vote to "NON" accordingly as my initial vote was on the mistaken assumption that MC Molinar had changed it back to an Amendment. If MC Molinar and cosponsors resubmit as an Amendment in future they can count on my support.
Therefore I must say that I agree with S:reu Davis. A statute cannot amend the Organic Law. I have changed my original "PER" vote to "NON" accordingly as my initial vote was on the mistaken assumption that MC Molinar had changed it back to an Amendment. If MC Molinar and cosponsors resubmit this as an Amendment in future then they can count on my support as I think it is represents a commendable ideal.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 18, 2010 21:02:19 GMT -6
I would now like to address some issues that have been discussed in the Hopper , that may be voted on during the 41st Cosa. These are issues that I feel will be of interests to the Citizens of M-M, and to the Kingdom. Because of this, I will expand the Primary response to 500 words, and the follow up reply to 250 words. This is the future of our Province, and our Kingdom. So, let's start with a Bang, shall we? Election Reform. For reference, see the following: talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hopper&action=display&thread=4025&page=1Would vote for or against the above Amendment. (I am aware that S:reu Tzaracomprada was a co-author of this Amendment, but he was not the Primary. He can now use his own words to discuss the issue. ) S:reu Tzaracomprada, you have the floor.
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