Ieremiac'h Ventrutx
Former Senator of Florencia ~ Citizen of Talossa
Posts: 990
Talossan Since: 3-1-1997
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Dec 8, 2008 8:18:27 GMT -6
The Budget Act for the 39th Cosa Whereas the current total in our Treasury is $304.49, and Whereas the Finance Minister needs $100.00 for production of stamps etc, and Whereas the Minister of Stuff needs $70 for a Livery Collar, and Whereas none of the other Ministries have asked for any of the treasury to do anything this Cosa, and Whereas it would behoove His Majesty to try to get us rich with whatever the government doesn't find a need to expend, now THEREFORE the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa authorizes the aforementioned expenditures, and FURTHERMORE the Ziu is informed that it is the intention of the government that the remaining balance of $134.49 is left for emergency spending and for investment as directed by the Finance Minister according to the policy reported. Ureu q'estadra sa, Ieremiac'h Ventrutx Seneschal For His Majesty's Government
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Dec 8, 2008 10:09:07 GMT -6
Yay! May I also suggest that we do something about this part of the bill:?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 11:20:02 GMT -6
As a financial planner I also volunteer my services to the Ministry of Finance in any capacity they may be needed. Naturally, I would submit to any steps necessary to prevent a conflict of interests.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 9, 2008 9:59:10 GMT -6
Am I right in interpreting this bill as giving blanket authorization to the Finance Minister to spend the remainder of the treasury on whatever he determines to be an emergency? Not that I think the Finance Minister would do anything crazy, but the treasury did take us years to build up to its current level.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Dec 9, 2008 14:57:27 GMT -6
As I've said before, if the Cosa was unsatisfied with the way the government was spending our money it could just vote non on the VOC, and possibly take Cort action if those monies were spent illegally.
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
Proud Talossan
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Post by Flip Molinar on Dec 9, 2008 20:12:27 GMT -6
I would not support blanket authority of the finance ministry in any situation, especially with regard to our cash reserves.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 10, 2008 7:30:52 GMT -6
As I've said before, if the Cosa was unsatisfied with the way the government was spending our money it could just vote non on the VOC, and possibly take Cort action if those monies were spent illegally. That's true, but under those circumstances it could be hard to get the Kingdom's money back. Better to keep it from being wasted on stuff the Ziu doesn't want.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 7:46:17 GMT -6
As I've said before, if the Cosa was unsatisfied with the way the government was spending our money it could just vote non on the VOC, and possibly take Cort action if those monies were spent illegally. So our only recourse if the money were to be spent improperly would be to dissolve the entire government? And even if we wanted to do that, it would take a majority. To you this is better than instituting guidelines to control expenditures? This time, Dreu, you've gone too far.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Dec 11, 2008 6:41:53 GMT -6
Wow... just a suggestion...
And if the money was spent illegally, I'd probably want to dissolve the government.
Just an idea Tim... just an idea...
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Ieremiac'h Ventrutx
Former Senator of Florencia ~ Citizen of Talossa
Posts: 990
Talossan Since: 3-1-1997
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Dec 11, 2008 7:38:56 GMT -6
lol Dreu's answer to everything is a NO on the VOC!
#1 - the finance minister can invest the money not spend it, there is another check in the system too, the Burgermeister (or whatever we call him) still has to write the check, he can alert the king if there is a suspect in the process.
#2 - the PM can spend the $ with a Prime Dictate ... I am thinking a Small half calf double latte for those who actually make the haux.
#3 - we have to put a bill for any normal spending so vote against the bill not the person.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 8:00:26 GMT -6
Wow... just a suggestion... And if the money was spent illegally, I'd probably want to dissolve the government. Just an idea Tim... just an idea... Yep, because that would get the money back nice and quick, wouldn't it? If the Min. Finance illegally spent funds, and we waited until the next Clark, somehow got a majority, then went through the process of electing a new government and appointing new ministers, that would quickly and efficiently get our money back, right? Be quiet, Dreu. I think our noble Prime Minister's reminder of there being built in safeguards what with the Burgermeister and all is adequate. I was just afraid we gave someone the check book and no checks and balances to make sure we know how it is spent.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Dec 11, 2008 8:22:06 GMT -6
I do believe I have a solution to the problem: "...we gave someone the check book and no checks ... That's a stunning proposal !'m all for that. We won't have to worry about any financial shenanigans that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 9:12:36 GMT -6
Well played, Cap'n Mick.....well played.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 12, 2008 10:16:53 GMT -6
And if the money was spent illegally, I'd probably want to dissolve the government. But there are a lot of ways money can be spent unwisely without necessarily being illegal. #1 - the finance minister can invest the money not spend it, there is another check in the system too, the Burgermeister (or whatever we call him) still has to write the check, he can alert the king if there is a suspect in the process. True, that's a useful check against corruption or unethical spending at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 10:47:00 GMT -6
Wow... just a suggestion... And if the money was spent illegally, I'd probably want to dissolve the government. Just an idea Tim... just an idea... As Sir Cresti mentions, there are ways for a person to unethically spend the money without it being illegal. Also, isn't it a sign of a more advanced society if we have ways to prevent crime rather than just punish it? You give me heartburn, Dreu. I believe the Burgermeister provides a good check against this corruption.
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