Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 10, 2008 17:19:20 GMT -6
Well, speaking as a Border-State Southerner who has all of his teeth...
We don't often write things that might embarrass us later. Even if we have some teeth missing, our mama's taught us how to be Civil in public.
Maybe you Yankees feel that it's ok to go off and use language like that. We don't.
But, sometimes we forget our upbringing, and say something we do regret. Being that we all understand that these things do happen, we allow each other to apologize, and take the words back.
So, until further notice, if you have your teeth , or if you don't - you will be allowed to change your posts.
Btw, Mr. Springer is from Ohio.
Which is a NORTHERN State.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2008 18:38:30 GMT -6
Well, speaking as a Border-State Southerner who has all of his teeth... We don't often write things that might embarrass us later. Even if we have some teeth missing, our mama's taught us how to be Civil in public. Maybe you Yankees feel that it's ok to go off and use language like that. We don't. But, sometimes we forget our upbringing, and say something we do regret. Being that we all understand that these things do happen, we allow each other to apologize, and take the words back. So, until further notice, if you have your teeth , or if you don't - you will be allowed to change your posts. Btw, Mr. Springer is from Ohio. Which is a NORTHERN State. I think Dreu is confusing hicks with people in the South, or rather, a stereotype for people living in Appalachia. He fails to realize that upstate new york has some pretty backwards areas just as the South has some pretty progressive areas. Also, he doesn't take into consideration the entire southern tier of NY is considered Appalachia I will say use of certain language, that some may consider vulgar, is more common in certain areas of the United States and even in other English speaking countries. (For example, the "C" word is less harsh in England just as the F word is less harsh here). And not for nothing, I love being a Yankee. I'm a total NE SNOB. Now, if a certain Brooklynite feels that it may be hard to watch what he says on Witt, perhaps he should save the posts before hand, come back, reread, and then post.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 15, 2008 8:22:08 GMT -6
Dréu makes a good point. I've sometimes wondered whether editing (or at least deletion) of Witt posts should be disabled. A lot of posts have been deleted over the past couple of years, and I suspect that that hasn't always been for innocent reasons. Editing or deletiing Witt posts makes it hard to rely on Wittenberg for evidentiary purposes in court cases (as has been pointed out by some Republicans). And since so much in Talossa happens on Wittenberg, that coule be a problem.
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Post by Jack Fenton on Jun 16, 2008 10:33:34 GMT -6
Cresti has just convinced my support.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jun 16, 2008 11:49:31 GMT -6
Yeah, but removing editing rights would be really, really annoying.
=D
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Xhorxh Asmour
Talossan since 02-21-2003
Wot? Me, worry?
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Jun 16, 2008 12:03:45 GMT -6
Although we're always running the risk of having something important deleted, I agree with Owen!
After all, Talossa is (still) a democratic country.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 16, 2008 14:49:29 GMT -6
What if instead of deleting, we instead asked people to strike-through the words they want to change?
Such as :
"The Designated Hitter rule is a horrible, stupid thing.
to :
The Designated Hitter rule is a horrible, stupid thing a bane to civilized baseball
Edit: rewording a statement. "
Edit : redundancy
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Jun 16, 2008 14:55:57 GMT -6
That's still editing isn't it? How could we be sure that they didn't edit something else?
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 16, 2008 15:11:20 GMT -6
Common courtesy to specify what you edited?
(Which I think you should do , anyway).
In court cases, juries are told to "ignore that last statement, testimony" etc.
Political gathering have members ask to have something "stricken from the record".
We should be able to do the same thing.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 16, 2008 16:23:38 GMT -6
That's still editing isn't it? How could we be sure that they didn't edit something else? Exactly. My concern was how to deal with those citizens who lack "common courtesy." We don't need to worry about editing by those citizens who have it. Üps Martüc deleted and edited a number of his posts in a disruptive and discourteous manner. A certain Irish-Talossan citizen has also deleted and edited a number of his posts, and who knows what evidence potentially relevant to future legal proceedings has now been lost? I've used forums that let you edit posts up until someone replies, but not after that. Is that an option here? That would at least prevent tricks like Martüc played, where he posted something outrageous then deleted it and tried to make those who had already replied look like fools.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 16, 2008 16:25:16 GMT -6
In court cases, juries are told to "ignore that last statement, testimony" etc. Political gathering have members ask to have something "stricken from the record". We should be able to do the same thing. Both of these examples obviously provide for some kind of oversight as to what gets ignored or stricken. What chaos would result if a witness in court could make the jury ignore something he had said on his own?
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jun 16, 2008 16:25:50 GMT -6
is there no secure archiving system?
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 16, 2008 16:29:24 GMT -6
is there no secure archiving system? I don't think so. I would have no problem with editing of posts if this were like Wikipedia and an administrator could "roll back" edits in cases of abuse.
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Brad Holmes on Jun 16, 2008 17:41:53 GMT -6
Üps Martüc deleted and edited a number of his posts in a disruptive and discourteous manner. A certain Irish-Talossan citizen has also deleted and edited a number of his posts, and who knows what evidence potentially relevant to future legal proceedings has now been lost? I've used forums that let you edit posts up until someone replies, but not after that. Is that an option here? That would at least prevent tricks like Martüc played, where he posted something outrageous then deleted it and tried to make those who had already replied look like fools. I can't believe we still talk about that turd. He certainly has a legacy within Talossan history. Maybe it's more of a notoriety.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
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Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 16, 2008 21:25:44 GMT -6
So, my dear friend Cresti-
Is it of your opinion that "Once posted, never corrected" ?
Would you give a 3rd party the power to decide if a person should be able to retract their statements? If so, who decided that? Who oversees this person?
If something is said whilst in a drunken rage, it should stand forever in the annuls of our nation? What, if the recovery of one's senses, the poster sees what they said in a flight of anger, hubris, or downright doltishness, they have said something no intended, not meant, and not wanting to hurt ?
Should they still be held accountable ? Should those amongst us that speak before we think, be forever condemned by our transgressions?
It is my opinion that Üps Martüc was an anomaly. I was not here, when he was a citizen, so I only speak from reading the history. So yes, I don't see what he posted- But I have read the cort proceedings.
Perhaps. it comes down to this- do we judge a person by what was said in anger, or in haste- or by what was said after thought, and .....ok...sobering up?
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