The "What's Left of the Flag" Bill (CC II)

[EM Vürinalt]

The What’s Left of the Flag Bill

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(CC II)

By S:reu Matáiwos Vürinalt – LRT

WHEREAS the province’s flag is severely lacking in coolness and,

WHEREAS on KoT.net the current flag is listed as “incomplete” and,

WHEREAS Flogging Molly has an amazing song called “What’s Left of the Flag” and,

WHEREAS Flogging Molly is a crazy Irish band and,

WHEREAS we need a flag before we can sing “What’s Left of the Flag,”

THEREFORE we proclaim that:

1. The Flag of the Province be officially blazoned as according to the picture below, being:
Per fess vert and gules in pale a royal crown proper and an inescutcheon tierced per pale vert, argent, and gules fimbriated or.



2. The Flag is updated on KoT.net and on our provincial website.

Uréu q’estrada sa: Matáiwos Vürinalt (LRT)
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[Hooligan]

Not to be a (Florencian) wet blanket, but the flag shown above is not heraldically legal. The black border of the inescutcheon cannot be blazoned on top of a red or green background. You would need to change the black to white or yellow.

With that one change, I must say that I like this design. It combines the two "sub-flags" on the current provincial flag in an attractive way.

Note that the "to be completed" tag on the Website in the discussion of the current flag does not mean that the flag as shown is incomplete, just that the proper heraldic description of the flag (its "blazon") had yet to be written, mostly because the current flag is nearly unblazonable, as it is quite heraldically improper.

This new proposed flag would be blazoned something like:

Per fess vert and gules in pale a royal crown proper and an inescutcheon tierced per pale vert, argent, and gules fimbriated (or "within a bordure") or.

Hooligan

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

It is my understanding that a flag does not need to be heraldically legal. Please note the Bengali flag.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Technically, S:reu Gavartich is correct. The OrgLaw does not give the power to decide on symbols for the provinces to the Ziu, which commissioned the College of Arms and their vexillologists. But I believe the Seneschal was speaking as an advisor; it is wise after all, to follow their guidance because on such matters it is sound. Flags look better and serve better when they follow the College's vexilloligical guidelines.

[EM Vürinalt]

mha said:

Not to be a (Florencian) wet blanket, but the flag shown above is not heraldically legal. The black border of the inescutcheon cannot be blazoned on top of a red or green background. You would need to change the black to white or yellow.

With that one change, I must say that I like this design. It combines the two "sub-flags" on the current provincial flag in an attractive way.

Note that the "to be completed" tag on the Website in the discussion of the current flag does not mean that the flag as shown is incomplete, just that the proper heraldic description of the flag (its "blazon") had yet to be written, mostly because the current flag is nearly unblazonable, as it is quite heraldically improper.

This new proposed flag would be blazoned something like:

Per fess vert and gules in pale a royal crown proper and an inescutcheon tierced per pale vert, argent, and gules fimbriated (or "within a bordure") or.

Hooligan

I see. If we would change the black border to white, would there be a way to distinguish between the white tricolour of the Italian flag and the white of the border??

Or, what if the boarder is layered, with a white boarder boardering a black boarder around the tricolour??

Is that vexilloligically acceptable?

[Trotxâ]

alexandreu said:

It is my understanding that a flag does not need to be heraldically legal. Please note the Bengali flag.

It is a good thing that the College of Arms is not as limited in its understanding as Citizen Gavárþic'h is.

I encourage those with questions to consult the relevant information on the Académieu Rexhitál del Drapéux page.

-- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms

[Hooligan]

A white border would indeed be difficult, and so I suggest yellow (or "or"; gold).

Hooligan

[Vit Caçeir]

alexandreu said:

It is my understanding that a flag does not need to be heraldically legal. Please note the Bengali flag.

While this may not be a requirement, think of it this way: the American Supreme Court has no official requirements for candidates to become judges of the court, other than that they are appointed by the President of the United States and approved by the Legislature. Just because there are no "official" requirements for the candidate, would you just take some random hobo from the slums and try to appoint him Chief Justice?

Even though it may not be legally required, it is still best to follow custom. I'll bet there are many more heraldically legal flags than illegal in the international community.

mha said:

A white border would indeed be difficult, and so I suggest yellow (or "or"; gold).

Hooligan

I agree with Lord Hooligan that gold is a most appropriate replacement.

[EM Vürinalt]

mha said:

A white border would indeed be difficult, and so I suggest yellow (or "or"; gold).

Hooligan

I will attempt to set up a gold boarder tonight and have the new flag posted tommorow.

[EM Vürinalt]

The flag has been edited, the new version has been posted in the bill above.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

ooh perdy

[Trotxâ]

clemente said:

I encourage those with questions to consult the relevant information on the Académieu Rexhitál del Drapéux page.

-- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms

Not to throw a wet blanket on the wild enthusiasm in Mussolini, but a flag is a gift from the King. It would probably be better to amend the language of the bill to suggest something like the following:

"The citizens of Mussolini hereby assent to petition His Majesty, by and through His agency The Royal Academy of Vexillology and the Royal College of Arms, for the right to change our flag to the following design..."

or something like that.

Just suggesting...

-- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

On what are we basing the notion that flags are granted by the King? I know of nothing to support such an idea; it has no basis in the OrgLaw that I can see, since it is not among those powers granted to the King.

[Trotxâ]

agbdavis said:

On what are we basing the notion that flags are granted by the King? I know of nothing to support such an idea; it has no basis in the OrgLaw that I can see, since it is not among those powers granted to the King.

If I may be so humble as to direct your attention to 35 RZ24 - THE ROYAL HOUSEHOLD CLEANING ACT, which says in part:

The College of Arms, headed by the Squirrel King (or Queen) of Arms. The function of the College of Arms is to create and maintain all Talossan flags and coats of arms and achievements, to advise and support the King in the awarding of all such arms and all titles of honour and nobility, to advise the citizens regarding heraldic issues, and to govern the armorial practice and regulations of the Kingdom.

Emphasis mine.

-- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

May I point out that that legislation does not say that the College can reject or confirm a flag. It simply says that they are in charge of creating and maintaing them.