The Broad-Leaf Dandelion Act

[Brad Holmes]

The Broad-Leaf Dandelion Act

WHEREAS Talossan citizenship ("the best thing money can't buy") is granted unto any person naturally born to (or, as precedent has established, adopted at birth by) a Talossan citizen, and

WHEREAS Talossan law somehow strangely fails to provide any mechanism for any other (already living and breathing, crying and complaining, laughing and playing) child of a Talossan citizen to become a citizen themselves until reaching the age of majority and applying for citizenship personally, and

WHEREAS that seems pretty odd, considering that any other nation of the world (which is what Talossa is) would certainly admit to citizenship any minor children of any new citizen immigrating to such other nation, and

WHEREAS like we say, Talossa is as real as any other nation of the world, and actually probably even more real than France, and

WHEREAS immigration law can easily be adjusted to account for this unfortunate oversight, and

WHEREAS if something is easy to do, then we have a pretty good chance of actually getting around to doing it, and

WHEREAS we are now getting around to doing it, and just in the nick of time, because we have a condition now where a poor little kid has three Talossan little kid siblings and no way to become one himself, and

WHEREAS we also have other little kids, looking jealously at their cool Talossan parents, wishing they could wear the red and green in our national Cub Scout pack and a bunch of other little kid things that we probably haven't even established yet, now

THEREFORE be it resolved by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa that The Youthful Citizenship Act (35RZ4) is hereby amended to add a third clause, reading:

Any minor child or ward of a Talossan citizen shall be made a citizen on simple application of the Talossan parent or guardian. Such application shall be made to the Secretary of State and shall affirm that any non-Talossan parent or legal guardian of the minor child (according to and under any jurisdiction of the world) accedes to said citizenship. The said minor child shall be made a citizen of the province to which the parent making the described application clings, regardless of the closure status of the province. Said child shall be forever entitled to be known as a Dandelion, and specifically as a Broad-Leaf Dandelion, and shall on reaching the age of 14 years become a voting citizen according to the terms of Article XVIII, Section 7 of the Organic Law and of Section 2 of this Act.

Noi urent q'estadra sa:

The "Junior" Senator
Brad Holmes (Senator, Atatürk)

Owen Edwards (MC, LRT)

[Owen Edwards]

"Given that the bulk of the latter part of this discussion has consisted of a discussion of how to legally foolproof an admittedly facetious first line, I am wondering what else people would change.

This member notes the advent of Senator Holmes' Bill, and applauds it for the French-insulting content therein - but I am somewhat concerned that its arrival upon the scene, and given its similar pratcical effects to this Bill (if via a Bill amendment rather than introducing a new classification), that some, more suspicious Talossans may consider it akin to "wrecking", as practised in partisan legislature across the world.

I am, futhermore, surprised that the traditional role of the Hopper in focussing a Bill and tidying it has been ignored by some members in apparent anticipation of Senator Holmes' Bill.

Thanks to Dreu, Flip, V, Alex, Mick et al for their assistance on this - though it may be my first Bill is not Clarked, it has been a wonderful learning experience. "

cross-posted.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

I'm sorta unclear why this bill was put forth. It's basically the same as Owen's. Why have two?

[EM Vürinalt]

alexandreu said:

I'm sorta unclear why this bill was put forth. It's basically the same as Owen's. Why have two?

owenfsf said:

Given that the bulk of the latter part of this discussion has consisted of a discussion of how to legally foolproof an admittedly facetious first line, I am wondering what else people would change.

This member notes the advent of Senator Holmes' Bill, and applauds it for the French-insulting content therein - but I am somewhat concerned that its arrival upon the scene, and given its similar pratcical effects to this Bill (if via a Bill amendment rather than introducing a new classification), that some, more suspicious Talossans may consider it akin to "wrecking", as practised in partisan legislature across the world.

I am, futhermore, surprised that the traditional role of the Hopper in focussing a Bill and tidying it has been ignored by some members in apparent anticipation of Senator Holmes' Bill.

Thanks to Dreu, Flip, V, Alex, Mick et al for their assistance on this - though it may be my first Bill is not Clarked, it has been a wonderful learning experience.

It seems as though Owen "pulled out."

Not wanting to drift off topic, I believe this bill is much clearer.

Only thing I'm left wondering is- why has it taken so long for one to be made?

Keep in mind we might have to have a kids area at TallosaFest now...

[Owen Edwards]

Dreu, I am assured that the Bill was started and conceived before mine was posted - it being brought forward, and the issues concerning

I would actually suggest the Senator should redact his Bill somewhat, because I think it is a little verbose. I think it is a more entertaining Bill than mine, which is an important consideration within Talossa.

I would not say mine has been withdrawn, but given we now have a RUMP Bill (and I am happy I am not an instinctively suspicious person, given the implications), there is now an issue whereby the waters are thoroughly muddied. I will take advice on the matter.

[Owen Edwards]

P.S. I think the author of this Bill might also consider how this Bill would fit into the proposed review of the OrgLaw.

It could be explicated that the proposed amendment is there to cover specific groups of children of Talossan parents, ie those born before citizenship or during "remission".

Also, is Broadleaf Dandelion a variety of Dandelion? Which Dandelion is intended for Talossa-born children?

[EM Vürinalt]

owenfsf said:

Also, is Broadleaf Dandelion a variety of Dandelion? Which Dandelion is intended for Talossa-born children?

Instead of trying to force these rare instances into qualifying for Danelion qualifications, why not simply make a new one?

The Organic Law states:
Article XVIII
Section 7. Children born after 1 January 1989/X, one (or both) of whose biological or adoptive parents is a Talossan citizen at the time of the birth, are native-born Talossan citizens ("Dandelions") and shall automatically have full voting rights when they register themselves with the Minister of Immigration on or after their 14th birthday. Notification shall consist of writing a "What Talossa Means to Me" Essay.

Children born before the said immigration of their parents to not qualify as native born Talossans.

What if we could do something as simple as granting all children born before the immigration of parents automatic citizenship?

That way we can distinguish between our natives and our immigrants.

[Owen Edwards]

I proposed a new classification - Daisy, though that's easily changed to something more fitting - to cover immigrant children.

[EM Vürinalt]

owenfsf said:

I proposed a new classification - Daisy, though that's easily changed to something more fitting - to cover immigrant children.

Ah, I guess I had not seen that.

I believe that two distinctions are good.

One thing I do have trouble with (and this is just personal but I'll say it anyways) is the term "Dandelion (and/or Daisy if this gets passed)" simply because if I was a 13 year old again, I wouldn't want people calling me a Dandelion. Perhaps we can Talossify the word "Dandelion" when the child reaches the age of 11 or 12??

[Vit Caçeir]

mbenzschawel said:

One thing I do have trouble with (and this is just personal but I'll say it anyways) is the term "Dandelion (and/or Daisy if this gets passed)" simply because if I was a 13 year old again, I wouldn't want people calling me a Dandelion. Perhaps we can Talossify the word "Dandelion" when the child reaches the age of 11 or 12??

While I agree that no self-respecting 13 year old boy would be too happy about being called a "Dandelion", the name has nothing to do with the child's character or anything, it is nothing more than a legal definition of the child's status as a Talossan citizen. It might be best just to leave the name the way it is, for tradition's sake (you as well as I remember that short little "Corporative Chamber" fiasco).

On the discussion of the bill, however, I feel that this bill is a good extension of C.M. Edward's original bill, and should be considered for clarking by all other members of the Cosa.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

mbenzschawel said:

One thing I do have trouble with (and this is just personal but I'll say it anyways) is the term "Dandelion (and/or Daisy if this gets passed)" simply because if I was a 13 year old again, I wouldn't want people calling me a Dandelion. Perhaps we can Talossify the word "Dandelion" when the child reaches the age of 11 or 12??

Does it help any to know that "dandelion" means "lion's tooth"? The Talossan is dintaliun, I think. I don't know if that's any better.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

alexandreu said:

I'm sorta unclear why this bill was put forth. It's basically the same as Owen's. Why have two?

I think the bill introduced by Senator Holmes is the clearer of the two. It acknowledges the interests of non-Talossan parents or guardians, it addresses the question of provincial assignment, etc.

[Owen Edwards]

I will be withdrawing my Bill, though I do believe two classifications would be very useful, and commend that such classifications be made clear within the body of this Bill.

[Brad Holmes]

Please note that Owen Edwards is now a co-sponsor.

[Hooligan]

With the addition of the co-sponsor, I have taken the liberty as moderator of this board to update the proposal's Talossan-language "I pray that this be so" to the plural "We pray that this be so".

Hooligan