The Retroactive Weed Act

[Owen Edwards]

It is very tempting - indeed, it's fitting, as long as it is clear there is no implication of being a "false" Talossan!

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

owenfsf said:

It is very tempting - indeed, it's fitting, as long as it is clear there is no implication of being a "false" Talossan!

That was my concern, that it could be viewed as slightly disparaging.

[Owen Edwards]

Any other botanic recommendations? A wildflower/"garden weed" is preferable.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

"WHEREAS when a man and a woman love one another very much, children may be produced"

What about in-vitro fertilization?

Cloning?

What if it's a single parent?

What if there isn't so much "love" as "distilled spirits"?

[Owen Edwards]

Or a loveless plan or accident?

It's obvious facetiousness - but I will add a clause into the first line to cover all events.

[Owen Edwards]

WHEREAS when a man and a woman love one another very much (or, at least, 'distill spirits' in one way or another), children may be produced;

WHEREAS such men and such women may be Talossans;

WHEREAS the children may fall through a "loophole", by being born before their parent's citizenship, or during a period of their parent's renunciation or removal of citizenship;

WHEREAS this is a glaring error in the process of handling the citizenship of children within Talossa, as there is no real reason why such children should not have rights as Talossans;

THEREFORE, it is resolved that, until such time as the Organic Law undergoes the proposed thorough review, the following measures be put into place:

1) A Talossan may petition for citizenship on behalf of any of their non-Dandelion children who are under the age of 14, without any probationary period, in the traditional manner of making petitions for citizenship.

2) Upon being seconded, thirded and so forth in the traditional manner, and assuming that no objection is brought, a limited form of citizenship shall be granted to the subject of the petition, who shall be known as a "Daisy", a term carrying in all other ways the legal status and implications of "Dandelion".

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

Wonderful Owen! Way to add to Talossan English!

[Flip Molinar]

I would most gladly support this bill. It is fair to all people interested in Talossan citizenship.

[Xhorxh Asmour]

owenfsf said:

"WHEREAS when a man and a woman love one another very much (or, at least, 'distill spirits' in one way or another), children may be produced;

WHEREAS such men and such women may be Talossans......."

I would replace these two paragraphs with:

"WHEREAS a Talossan man or woman produces a child (or children); "

That would hold good even the case of an in vitro fertilization and of single or gay or lesbian parents !!

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

what about adopted children? Do they not get the same rights?

[Xhorxh Asmour]

alexandreu said:

what about adopted children? Do they not get the same rights?

OK then. We could change it to:

"WHEREAS a Talossan man or woman produces or adopts a child (or children); "

[Deleted]

Oh I'm sorry, since when can only a man and a woman have children? What if a child is an "accident" where the mana nd the woman do not love each other? What if I were to meet a partner and decide to have a child, would they not be covered because my partner will not (and I can assure you it won't) be a woman? I think this act is poorly written.

[Owen Edwards]

V, you'll note Mick and my exchange, and the resultant addition - as it handles the bulk of your concern. I certainly think further suggestions should be taken into account (notably explication of adoption), but am off to bed now.

[Owen Edwards]

WHEREAS when a man or a woman may produce or adopt a child (or children);

WHEREAS such men and such women may be Talossans;

WHEREAS the child (or children) may fall through a "loophole", by being born before their parent's citizenship, or during a period of their parent's renunciation or removal of citizenship;

WHEREAS this is a glaring error in the process of handling the citizenship of children within Talossa, as there is no real reason why such children should not have rights as Talossans;

THEREFORE, it is resolved that, until such time as the Organic Law undergoes the proposed thorough review, the following measures be put into place:

1) A Talossan may petition for citizenship on behalf of any of their non-Dandelion children who are under the age of 14, without any probationary period, in the traditional manner of making petitions for citizenship.

2) Upon being seconded, thirded and so forth in the traditional manner, and assuming that no objection is brought, a limited form of citizenship shall be granted to the subject of the petition, who shall be known as a "Daisy", a term carrying in all other ways the legal status and implications of "Dandelion".

[Owen Edwards]

Given that the bulk of the latter part of this discussion has consisted of a discussion of how to legally foolproof an admittedly facetious first line, I am wondering what else people would change.

This member notes the advent of Senator Holmes' Bill, and applauds it for the French-insulting content therein - but I am somewhat concerned that its arrival upon the scene, and given its similar pratcical effects to this Bill (if via a Bill amendment rather than introducing a new classification), that some, more suspicious Talossans may consider it akin to "wrecking", as practised in partisan legislature across the world.

I am, futhermore, surprised that the traditional role of the Hopper in focussing a Bill and tidying it has been ignored by some members in apparent anticipation of Senator Holmes' Bill.

Thanks to Dreu, Flip, V, Alex, Mick et al for their assistance on this - though it may be my first Bill is not Clarked, it has been a wonderful learning experience.