Cagatay Cakyr
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Post by Cagatay Cakyr on Aug 9, 2007 7:11:10 GMT -6
My name is Çağatay Çakır
If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs.
My favorite color is Red.
I have a humble (pencil) drawing infact, consisting of two swords and two crescent. If you ask i may send it to you. (Please regard that i love swords and crescents)
I do not know but if we can include writings on the arms than "find peace" is a good phrase.
Thanks,
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 13, 2007 20:09:27 GMT -6
Azul Çaðatay! I don't know if anyone from the college has gotten in touch with you yet, but could you describe your drawing? How are the swords and crescents arranged?
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Aug 13, 2007 22:41:11 GMT -6
My name is Çağatay Çakır
If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs.
My favorite color is Red.
I have a humble (pencil) drawing infact, consisting of two swords and two crescent. If you ask i may send it to you. (Please regard that i love swords and crescents)
I do not know but if we can include writings on the arms than "find peace" is a good phrase.
Thanks, Azul S:reu Çakır, While the brief description of your design is an excellent starting point, we of the College stand ready to help create with you a unique and memorable achievement of arms. As your Squirrel King at Arms, I ask that you forward an electronic image (scanned or PDF) of your pencil drawing to CollegeOfArms [insert At symbol] KingdomOfTalossa [insert dot] net Please note that one other Talossan citizen has swords and crescents on his arms: The Honourable Joseph Walkland, MC. It would be legal and proper for you to display your arms with the swords in saltire between four crescents counter-changed in cross; however, you would need to ask S:reu Walkland to adopt you first. With great regards, we remain your obedient servants, -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms
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Cagatay Cakyr
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Post by Cagatay Cakyr on Aug 14, 2007 2:47:53 GMT -6
i will send you a scanned image of my pencil drawing. Thank you (both) a lot
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Cagatay Cakyr
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Post by Cagatay Cakyr on Aug 14, 2007 5:04:42 GMT -6
I send email but also send here for others (who wants) to see here is the draft
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Cagatay Cakyr
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Post by Cagatay Cakyr on Aug 14, 2007 5:06:07 GMT -6
there may be another (third one) crescent looking up at the bottom of the swords and, background color mayme red or green.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Aug 14, 2007 8:25:48 GMT -6
S:reu Çakır, Thank you for sharing. As our Art is a visual art, we appreciate your sketch. After examining your proposal, it might be helpful for us to review the standard heraldic options for the greater edged weapons. Three types of these weapons are common: SCYMITAR: A Curved Turkish sword. The Scymitar was Mohamed's first ensign,which later evolved into a crescent, as symbol of Islam. Parker lists it as a "Scimetar", and shows an example of one with the back of the blade engrailed:
Note that Parker's sabre is [incorrectly] shown as identical to the Scymitar. The French Badelaire is similar too.
SEAX: A Saxon sword much like the Turkish Scymitar but with a circular notch on the back of the blade.
SWORD: During the period of Crusades, European Knights used straight swords with blades tapering for thrusting as well as hacking. The usual form in Heraldry is a long straight blade, with a cross handle. Quillons can be pointing downwards, upwards, 'S' shaped, with cruciforms (cross shaped), fleur-de-lis tipped and more. Pommels can be round, square, ring-shaped (like the Irish sword) or other shapes. The proper of a sword is Argent, handled, quillioned and pommeled Or.
In heraldry, differentiation of the type of sword is rare; however, one can find references to the the claymore, the Falchion, the hanger, the rapier, the Irish sword, and on occasion, the Japanese sword. Some maniacs may even choose to display the sabre, a cavalry weapon, but the prudent man views these men as dangerous adversaries who are to be avoided at all costs.
To the point of your design, your sketch seems to favor the Seax or the Scymitar. With all possible respect, I suggest that you consider the latter over the former, in that Çağatay doesn't appear to be a Saxon name. Please advise the College on your choice. With great regards, we remain your obedient servants, -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms Note: For dilettantes from certain non-monarchical micronations, the heater images above come from the Heraldic Dictionary at the University of Notre Dame.
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King John
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Post by King John on Aug 14, 2007 9:12:29 GMT -6
Another difficulty with the sketch is that there seem to be three dissimilar secondary charges — a decrescent, a mullet, and an increscent. (A single charge group can have one or two, but not three, different types of charge.) Consider other arrangements, like (for instance) a single decrescent overall, or a decrescent intertwined with the blades of the swords. There are lots of possibilities.
— (former) Blanc Wolf Herald
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Aug 14, 2007 13:39:17 GMT -6
A Mullet?
Y'all gots problems with mullets?
Around these parts of Kentucky, them's fighting words!
Ask Count Dan.
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Hooligan
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Post by Hooligan on Aug 14, 2007 18:23:55 GMT -6
Count Dan? A mullet? Can the photos of the nobleman that we used in the RUMP Roast possibly be that inaccurate?
Hooligan
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 14, 2007 18:40:32 GMT -6
A Mullet? Y'all gots problems with mullets? Around these parts of Kentucky, them's fighting words! Ask Count Dan. In the part of Florida I lived in last year (a.k.a. Lower Alabama), the annual Mullet Festival was a popular regional event. It refered to the fish rather than the hairstyle — although there was no shortage of either.
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Cagatay Cakyr
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Post by Cagatay Cakyr on Aug 16, 2007 1:49:37 GMT -6
hi all, thank you for help(joy)ful comments Sir Trotxâ Betiñéir, i am ok with Scymitar. or anything looks like it, all pictures you send seems to nice at all. my king, sorry me I could not understand that mullet thing? this is maybe my english is not good enough to understand jokes (or serious things). anyway i am also bad about understanding jokes in turkish Is there a mullet in my draft? (mullet is kind of a fish right?) I also thank sir Manus Hand for his mail... "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 16, 2007 1:53:44 GMT -6
my king, sorry me I could not understand that mullet thing? this is maybe my english is not good enough to understand jokes (or serious things). anyway i am also bad about understanding jokes in turkish Is there a mullet in my draft? (mullet is kind of a fish right?) There are two common meanings of "mullet" in English. One is the fish (like you say), and the other is a haircut that's short on top and long in the back. But in heraldry, a mullet means a five-pointed star, like in your sketch. It's not a normal English word.
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Cagatay Cakyr
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Post by Cagatay Cakyr on Aug 16, 2007 2:03:26 GMT -6
oh i see what the mullet is! thanks sir Siervicül I love mullets and I especially wanted one in my arms (but) if it is possible you maybe know, turkish flag has also one.
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Hooligan
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Post by Hooligan on Aug 16, 2007 10:13:32 GMT -6
Çaðatay --
You can most certainly have a mullet (star) on your arms. The problem is that you cannot have THREE different shapes that are the same size (but you may have TWO). So your drawing, which had a crescent, a descrescent, and a mullet, must be adjusted.
Another idea is that you may have a great many stars, filling the field of the shield, and still have a crescent. This idea comes from the King. How would you like something like this:
Many stars on a green shield, with two scimitars, crossed as you have drawn them, and also with a single descrescent, positioned where the scimitars cross each other, with the blades of the scimitars weaving above and below the crescent.
In the language of heraldry, this would be written:
Vert mullety two scimitars saltirewise and a decresent interleaved argent.
Columcille Pursuivant
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