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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Feb 1, 2017 4:36:27 GMT -6
The February 2017 Clark is now here. www.talossa.ca/files/clark.php?cosa=50&clark=1 Or here: www.talossa.ca/files/print_clark.php (this is the printer friendly version) In PDF Form (which was made from the print_clark.php page): www.talossa.ca/files/clarks/February2017Clark.pdfor can vote online here: www.talossa.ca/files/clark_vote.phpOr in this thread, until the 21st of the month, at 19h30 TST. Senators are allowed to create a single thread in the Senate chamber to post all of the Senate Votes that are not cast in this thread. Any votes not posted either using the form above, the current thread or the Senate thread might be ignored and void. Please do not vote by email or private messages. When you vote, do not indicate any conditions which may make it sound like this vote isn't final: you can always change your vote later. All nominated Cosa Members and Senators have been emailed Marti-Pair Furxheir Secretary of State
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Feb 1, 2017 14:06:48 GMT -6
BIG OLD MOTORSCOOTING PËR on the VoC
A PËR on 50RZ1, with the understanding that I intend to vote NÔN in the referendum, to prove my party leader wrong.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 12, 2017 18:26:59 GMT -6
For the sake of simplicity, I would like to make the Secretary of State aware of the Senäts voting thread. Now you need not go searching for the Voting Thread yourself. Cordial greetings to all fellow Members of the Ziu from the Mençei. I’ll be nursing my whisky, and studying for finals.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Feb 14, 2017 15:35:32 GMT -6
RZ1: CONTRÂ
This should not come as a surprise, given my comments about the bill in its Hopper thread.
VoC: ÜC
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Feb 14, 2017 17:16:05 GMT -6
RZ1: Aus I will campaign against it should it pass.
VoC: Üc (Though I hope we will someday get enough citizens to allow us to fill both the Cosa and the cabinet with different people, because I'm now partially voting on whether I should be keeping my job as a minister.)
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Post by Alèx Soleighlfred on Feb 14, 2017 23:04:45 GMT -6
RZ1. PËR. For personal reasons.
VoC: Üc
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Feb 15, 2017 1:37:10 GMT -6
VoC: Üc (Though I hope we will someday get enough citizens to allow us to fill both the Cosa and the cabinet with different people, because I'm now partially voting on whether I should be keeping my job as a minister.) It's not a popularity contest, or an approval rating. It's measuring whether the government has adequate support among the legislators, which is necessary for it to be able to propose legislation and see it enacted. Of course ministers can sit in parliament. If nobody from the government has a Cosâ seat, how could the government propose legislation?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Feb 16, 2017 0:47:59 GMT -6
If nobody from the government has a Cosâ seat, how could the government propose legislation? How do they do it in fully presidential systems, like the US or the Philippines?
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Feb 16, 2017 1:45:42 GMT -6
If nobody from the government has a Cosâ seat, how could the government propose legislation? How do they do it in fully presidential systems, like the US or the Philippines? Well, now I was talking about a parliamentary system, so I don't see the immediate relevance. But it is an interesting question. I don't know. I might look it up.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Feb 16, 2017 6:25:28 GMT -6
How do they do it in fully presidential systems, like the US or the Philippines? Well, now I was talking about a parliamentary system, so I don't see the immediate relevance. But it is an interesting question. I don't know. I might look it up. The President basically tells the Congressmen of his party what bills he wants them to propose.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Feb 16, 2017 6:39:37 GMT -6
If nobody from the government has a Cosâ seat, how could the government propose legislation? I think the Seneschal can already propose legislation without being a member of the Ziu. I would think most parliamentary systems in which the executive and legislative are separated still allow the government or individual ministers to propose bills.
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Post by Albrec'ht Acnüta (Brec'ht) on Feb 16, 2017 7:53:39 GMT -6
Well, now I was talking about a parliamentary system, so I don't see the immediate relevance. But it is an interesting question. I don't know. I might look it up. The President basically tells the Congressmen of his party what bills he wants them to propose. 1. Constitution (Law of the Land) governs the separation of power between three branches of government, and protects the rights of citizens. A. Legislative Branch - They make the laws and can override a Presidential Veto if they get an overall 2/3 vote to do so. i. Congress (100 Senators - 2 from each state) ii. House of Representatives - (435 Representatives, divided among the states according to population)
B. Executive Branch - Executes the laws i. President - can veto laws proposed by Congress, can also enact on his own "Executive Orders" in limited circumstances to bypass Congress ii. Vice President - President's backup and also head of the Senate. iii. Cabinet - President's close advisers on all matters pertaining to the government. (Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Education, etc.)
C. Legislative Branch - They make sure the laws are Constitutional, or do not violate any sections of the Constitution. i. Supreme Court - Highest court in the US. ii. Federal Courts - Next tier down from Supreme Court.
Each state uses an exact copy of this format to run their own state's government - Each state has a Constitution, and all three branches of government.
Hope this helps.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Feb 16, 2017 10:06:56 GMT -6
The President basically tells the Congressmen of his party what bills he wants them to propose. Each state uses an exact copy of this format to run their own state's government - Each state has a Constitution, and all three branches of government. Well, technically it's not an exact copy. Nebraska has an unicameral legislature, for example. Several states don't have a lieutenant governor (New Jersey has only had one since 2011-ish, I believe?) and the President of the Senate, or the Secretary of State, or another elected official serves as first-in-line to the governorship. Edit: Dammit, this is a voting thread! *shuts up*
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Atatürkey, and flying by the seat of my RUMP
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Talossan Since: 3-16-2006
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Post by Brad Holmes on Feb 19, 2017 21:53:34 GMT -6
RZ1: PER. What could go wrong? VOC: NON.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 20, 2017 10:19:22 GMT -6
My votes: RZ1 - CON (this is the type of stuff I don't think should be in our laws) VOC: ÜC
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Re: the other part of this thread -
In the US system, neither the President nor the Cabinet can introduce legislation. Generally, the Executive and their cabinet will work with Congress to introduce legislation, but they can't do it on their own. That said, the President does send draft legislation to members of Congress who will, in turn, introduce it. So there's a de facto proxy system here in the US.
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