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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:00:24 GMT -6
I'll help you and Epiq out, Miestra. Here is the quote. I am just curious - which party will you be supporting in the elections? As far as I remember, I have not supported any party in my last election. It is no secret that I am a member of the MRPT, but it is also no secret that I am more of a rogue member who is likely to break free from party opinions on Clark votes, if it more accurately reflect the wishes of my constituents.I therefore do not really represent any party as a Senator, other than the fact that my political views are mostly aligned with the ModRads — which is why I am a member of that party. I only represent the voters, who have granted me their trust with their vote. Epiq said that "party politics" is more of a Cosa thing than for Senate members. This was an area of genuine disagreement.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:00:25 GMT -6
Hey Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun , what's all this about you going rogue? I get it that Brenéir's from Alaska and the Sarah Palin reference probably freaked him out, but I'd like to hear the backstory! Well, that was me being honest: It is known all too well that I am somebody who likes not to say “Amen!” to everything the party decides; my Cosă and Senäts voting records do show that, from time to time, I vote differently than the rest of the Members of the Ziu affiliated with the MRPT decide. This has nothing to do with disrespect for the MRPT, whereof I am a member, but it has more to do with my conscience, and the fact that I am not a servant of my Party in the Ziu, but I am a servant of the whole Kingdom, voting on legislative measures in the Ziu. And I have tried to be open about it during my campaign: When it comes to the party line, I go rogue; and no-one, ever, and at all, can subdue my conscience — not even my party (not to say that they try to do, but if they ever tried, I would not have it).
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:01:31 GMT -6
And I'm sure those will be a huge surprise, concerning the deep personal animosity towards the FreeDems, and the "HA HA WE POACHED YOUR MEMBER" attitude to the ModRads! You are a little more tolerable when you are threatened.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:03:31 GMT -6
Hey Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun , what's all this about you going rogue? I get it that Brenéir's from Alaska and the Sarah Palin reference probably freaked him out, but I'd like to hear the backstory! Well, that was me being honest: It is known all too well that I am somebody who likes not to say “Amen!” to everything the party decides; my Cosă and Senäts voting records do show that, from time to time, I vote differently than the rest of the Members of the Ziu affiliated with the MRPT decide. This has nothing to do with disrespect for the MRPT, whereof I am a member, but it has more to do with my conscience, and the fact that I am not a servant of my Party in the Ziu, but I am a servant of the whole Kingdom, voting on legislative measures in the Ziu. And I have tried to be open about it during my campaign: When it comes to the party line, I go rogue; and no-one, ever, and at all, can subdue my conscience — not even my party (not to say that they try to do, but if they ever tried, I would not have it). Well, there you go. No animosity just a disagreement. To be clear, the TNC does not campaign against Epiq just refrain from endorsing.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:05:24 GMT -6
Epiq said that "party politics" is more of a Cosa thing than for Senate members. This was an area of genuine disagreement. I do, and I stand by it. I much find it noble a trait of Senators to rather heed their constituents than what the party line says (now it sounds as though I thought of myself as noble... Sorry about that!). I regret that your party disagrees with what I hold to be an unspoken law of the Senäts — but I would appreciate it if you were less ambiguous/brief in your explanations next time.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:06:30 GMT -6
Epiq said that "party politics" is more of a Cosa thing than for Senate members. This was an area of genuine disagreement. I do, and I stand by it. I much find it noble a trait of Senators to rather heed their constituents than what the party line says (now it sounds as though I thought of myself as noble... Sorry about that!). I regret that your party disagrees with what I hold to be an unspoken law of the Senäts — but I would appreciate it if you were less ambiguous/brief in your explanations next time. What you desire as far as our internal party deliberations and announcements is irrelevant.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 31, 2016 16:06:58 GMT -6
To once again steal AD's shtick... You are a little more tolerable when you are threatened. Seriously, the FreeDems would only be "threatened" by the TNC leader's strategy if our strategy relied on his goodwill at all.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:08:13 GMT -6
I do, and I stand by it. I much find it noble a trait of Senators to rather heed their constituents than what the party line says (now it sounds as though I thought of myself as noble... Sorry about that!). I regret that your party disagrees with what I hold to be an unspoken law of the Senäts — but I would appreciate it if you were less ambiguous/brief in your explanations next time. What you desire as far as our internal party deliberations and announcements is irrelevant. Now you're just being scathing and expressedly out of line, good sir! I suggest you get a hold of yourself.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:09:26 GMT -6
What I said was true. Your opinions on what we discuss and how we announce our endorsements is not relevant. As is whether you like my tone.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jan 31, 2016 16:10:48 GMT -6
Now MRPT MCs are expected to uphold the MRPT manifesto, which makes sense, because they were elected on that basis, but for a senator, who represents his province rather than his party, not sticking to party line all the time seems like a very good quality. AFAIK, the MRPT has no problems with Epic thinking for himself. It's actually why I am often interested in his opinion, because he tells me what he thinks, whether I like it or not. Epic not sticking to MRPT party line enough seems like a weird reason for a completely different party to not endorse him. Maybe you would be willing to reconsider?
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:14:11 GMT -6
Now MRPT MCs are expected to uphold the MRPT manifesto, which makes sense, because they were elected on that basis, but for a senator, who represents his province rather than his party, not sticking to party line all the time seems like a very good quality. AFAIK, the MRPT has no problems with Epic thinking for himself. It's actually why I am often interested in his opinion. Epic not sticking to MRPT party line enough seems like a weird reason for a completely different party to not endorse him. Maybe you would be willing to reconsider? At this point, I have come so far as to consider rejecting such endorsement by the TNC, based on S:reu Itravilatx's insolently rude reaction to my request that he be less ambiguous when explaining why he does not endorse me specifically. But thank you, Glüc, for the kind words!
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:18:43 GMT -6
Now MRPT MCs are expected to uphold the MRPT manifesto, which makes sense, because they were elected on that basis, but for a senator, who represents his province rather than his party, not sticking to party line all the time seems like a very good quality. AFAIK, the MRPT has no problems with Epic thinking for himself. It's actually why I am often interested in his opinion. Epic not sticking to MRPT party line enough seems like a weird reason for a completely different party to not endorse him. Maybe you would be willing to reconsider? At this point, I have come so far as to consider rejecting such endorsement by the TNC, based on S:reu Itravilatx's insolently rude reaction to my request that he be less ambiguous when explaining why he does not endorse me specifically. But thank you, Glüc, for the kind words! And you just justified our conclusion. Good luck.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 31, 2016 16:23:15 GMT -6
Breneir, are you okay? You are not usually this aggressive in these sorts of discussions. Epic wasn't being rude or anything, and while I'm interested in these cabinet discussions, it's not good to escalate things with Dama Miestra, either.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:23:22 GMT -6
At this point, I have come so far as to consider rejecting such endorsement by the TNC, based on S:reu Itravilatx's insolently rude reaction to my request that he be less ambiguous when explaining why he does not endorse me specifically. But thank you, Glüc, for the kind words! And you just justified our conclusion. Good luck. Ah, so sad. I thought the TNC could become a reasonably calm party, not involved in the constant senseless bashing of other people; verily, I thought you courteous. Meseems that this belief was prematurely conceived. I am sorry for having given you the benefit of the doubt, S:reu Itravilatx!
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:25:23 GMT -6
Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. , please let me know if this works as our party notification for Senate endorsements. If not, I will send you a PM. While we did consider all candidates we only found one suitable candidate for party endorsement. With that quick note we are happy to announce the Talossan National Congress Senate Endorsements MARITIIMI-MAXHESTICNo Endorsement FIOVANo Endorsement MARICOPANo Endorsement CEZEMBREIan Anglatzara Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H., the TNC may have changes to our endorsement in Maritiimi-Maxhestic. Just wanted to keep you updated as I have submitted a request to party membership.
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