Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 15, 2015 16:07:25 GMT -6
Duly noted. I will address your concerns as soon as I figure out how to word it.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 15, 2015 17:22:04 GMT -6
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 15, 2015 17:32:15 GMT -6
As Senator, I must protest. You are robbing Members of the Senäts of their right to block such proposed changes. We need to find another solution.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 15, 2015 19:01:16 GMT -6
As Senator, I must protest. You are robbing Members of the Senäts of their right to block such proposed changes. We need to find another solution. Easily changed!
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 15, 2015 19:09:40 GMT -6
Thank you.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jul 16, 2015 16:15:47 GMT -6
In the U.S., the United States Code is administered by the Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the U.S. House of Representatives, which is responsible for taking all of the statutes passed by Congress and compiling them into "titles" organised by subject. Thus, things like section numbers and other editorial changes made by the OLRC in the course of the codification process are not technically part of the law, and in the event of conflict or ambiguity it's the actual statute passed by Congress that controls. From time to time, however, Congress will enact an entire title from the Code as a statute, in effect ratifying the editorial decisions of the OLRC (within that title) as positive law.
I see this proposal as having similar effect. El Lexhatx was originally enacted by the Ziu in its entirety as positive law. This will authorise the Scribe to do a little editorial cleanup in the course of maintaining the public version of el Lexhatx and updating it to incorporate new statutes, but in the end the text enacted by the Ziu controls in the event of any dispute over whether the editorial improvements made by the Scribe impact the interpretation of the law. This means that over time minor discrepancies could accumulate between el Lexhatx as maintained by the Scribe and the collected statutes passed by the Ziu, but from time to time the Ziu could re-enact el Lexhatx (or specific titles thereof) to reset the statutory baseline, as it were.
Does this accurately summarise your intent here?
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 16, 2015 18:39:13 GMT -6
Not exactly. The intent was that the Ziu would inherently approve of the fixes if a petition was not issued.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 26, 2015 18:40:42 GMT -6
Any more comments on this?
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jul 26, 2015 20:18:55 GMT -6
Not exactly. The intent was that the Ziu would inherently approve of the fixes if a petition was not issued. I'm somewhat dubious as to whether that would be organic.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 26, 2015 21:03:00 GMT -6
Not exactly. The intent was that the Ziu would inherently approve of the fixes if a petition was not issued. I'm somewhat dubious as to whether that would be organic. What article/section do you refer to?
If you have better language that would be more in line with your proposed idea, I would be glad to hear it.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jul 26, 2015 21:09:34 GMT -6
What article/section do you refer to? Article X Section 1: "The Ziu is the only body authorized to consider and enact legislation binding upon the entire nation. The Ziu is composed of the King, the Senäts, and the Cosa." And more generally, the whole of articles IX and X. Normally amending statutory law requires following the legislative process set forth in those articles. This bill would create a section of el Lexhatx that purports to authorise amending statutory law (only in minor ways, admittedly, but still changing the official text of the statutes) without following that process.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 26, 2015 21:16:29 GMT -6
C.1.2.3.3 If a controversy arises over the interpretation of a law that was amended though this process, the language originally enacted by the Ziu is superior and shall be used in interpretation
C.1.2.3.4 The Scribe shall keep a record of the original language of a bill that was amended in this way for use according to C.1.2.3.3
Does this make it better?
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jul 26, 2015 21:23:42 GMT -6
Does this make it better? Yes, I think I could support that.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 26, 2015 21:31:25 GMT -6
Does this make it better? Yes, I think I could support that. Cool! I think I'll Clark it, unless a major problem is discovered.
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Ián Tamorán S.H.
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Aug 15, 2015 4:06:53 GMT -6
Or maybe the guy who spent months codifying the law to make it accessible to everyone just doesn't relIsh the thought of it filling with errors, ambiguities, and problems. Our laws are in English. They should be in clear and correct and unambiguous English, because they have actual meaning and people actually use and obey them. Aside observation, not completely relevant to this discussion - Our laws are in English: should they not, as first base, be in Talossan? That is, after all, our (ahem) national language?
And no, don't point me to some contradicting law, or I'll go off into a huff...
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