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Post by Alèx Soleighlfred on Nov 23, 2017 9:12:27 GMT -6
Alèxandreu Soleighlfred said: Offtopic: I recently found a thread "Cyrillic Talossan (http://talossa.proboards.com/thread/4453)" where there was an attempt made to cyrrilize Talossan language. It's a brave attempt but I, as a Russian, see it could be done better and more precise. I'll get to that sometime this week and propose my own cyrillic script for Talossan.
Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafia said: Oh, haven't you seen *my* cyrillisation of Talossan? (link to this thread)
Alèxandreu Soleighlfred ooh I didn't know about this! Hey, I'll review it and (if you are interested of course) we could collaborate to improve it. Out of the box, why ӯ for ü? ü is 100% just 'ю'/ EDIT: ooh, I see, I would do vowels absolutely differently I think I would take time to propose my own way to do this. My approach would be to minimize diacritics and only use them when absolutely needed.
Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun Why would Russian /ju/ be Talossan /y/? Every language that uses the Cyrillic alphabet and has /y/ as a phoneme uses some sort of letter that has nothing to with Ю,ю.
Alèxandreu Soleighlfred Ю is only [ju] in initial position. In other positions it's pronounciation is similar to [ü]. For example, Nürburgring is Нюрбургринг. No special letters needed for that. Similarily, ä is я, ö is ё.
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Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on Nov 23, 2017 9:29:27 GMT -6
Talossan not only has /æ ø y/, but also /jæ jø jy/ and it wouldve been a waste to not use the iotified vowels for these. (я ё ю were already taken for /ja jo ju/, which Talossan also has.)
I'd like to stress also that this isnt so much a Russification, but a Cyrillisation, which was modelled a bit after the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet used in Moldova.
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Post by Iac Marscheir on Nov 23, 2017 9:42:13 GMT -6
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Post by Alèx Soleighlfred on Nov 23, 2017 9:47:23 GMT -6
Well, this could explain our difference in perception. But again, only ӂ is present in moldovan (as far as I know), while all the rest is your invention :)
(Ӂ.. What a letter! In serif it really looks like a beautiful beetle.)
I will still go ahead and propose my variant vowels
Vocal üccitour А = a Э = e (initial) Е = e (otherwise) И = i О = o У = u,ou Я = ä Ё = ö Ю = ü
Vocal iotifichescu (Initial or after vowel / otherwise) Я / ЬА = ja Е / ЬЕ = je, ie ЙИ / ЬИ = ji Ё / ЬО = jo, io Ю / ЬУ = ju, iu, jou, iou ЙЯ / ЬЯ = jä, iä ЙЁ / ЬЁ = jö, iö ЙЮ / ЬЮ = jü, iü
This way, “veþaviör” /veθavjør/ zeviént “веçавьёр” which looks imo better than ё with a dash on top. Ь also provides more obvious iotification.
EDIT: it's probable that my suggestion is less moldavan-centered, but I like the logic behind it.
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Post by Alèx Soleighlfred on Nov 23, 2017 9:58:43 GMT -6
«La Coraziun Profanind» ¡VRÄTS! — nervös — trei, trei þorivalmint nervös éu tignhoveu estescu, es éu sint; ¿mas perqet zirarhetz-voi qe éu sint mäts? La malaiça tignhova afilada vaes ceadfas — non lor zestroxhiada — non lor smortiçada. Över dtoct füt la ceadfa d’üscüdançeu acü. Üscüdeveu toct i cosas in el çéu es la tzara. Üscüdeveu muitas cosas in l’enceida. ¿Come, aglhorc, sint-éu mäts? ¡Üscüd! es auservetz cacsa salüvamint, cacsa serain, qe éu put nararh-te la storia entieir. «Ла Корацюн Профанант» (Marcel suggestion) ¡ВРА̄Ц! — нерво̄с — трей, трей ҫоривалминт нерво̄с эу тињовеу эстеску, эс эу синт; ¿мас перќет зирашец-вои ќе эу синт ма̄ц? Ла малайса тињова афилада ваэс чадфас — нон лор зестроӂяда — нон лор смортисада. О̄вер докт фӯт ла чадфа д'ӯскӯдансеу акӯ. Ӯскӯдевеу токт и козас ин эл сеу эс ла цара. Ӯскӯдевеу муйтас козас ин л'энчида. ¿Коме, аљорк, синт-эу ма̄ц? ¡Ӯскӯд! эс аусервец какса салӯваминт, какса серайн, ќе эу пут нараш-те ла сторя энтъейр.
«Ла Корацюн Профанант» (My suggestion, draft) ¡ВРЯТС! — нервёс — трей, трей ҫоривалминт нервёс эу тиньовеу эстеску, эс эу синт; ¿мас перкет зирашец-вой ке эу синт мятс? Ла малайса тиньова афилада ваэс чадфас — нон лор зестроджяда — нон лор смортисада. Ёвер докт фют ла чадфа д'юскюдансеу акю. Юскюдевеу токт и козас ин эль сеу эс ла цара. Юскюдевеу муйтас козас ин л'энчида. ¿Коме, альорк, синт-эу мятс? ¡Юскюд! эс аусервец какса салюваминт, какса серайн, ќе эу пут нараш-те ла сторя энтьейр.
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Nov 24, 2017 6:51:28 GMT -6
Perhaps the only "logical" thing to do would be to spell Talossan using IPA - then it would be the first language where you knew exactly how a word sounded.
....of course, as time goes by....
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