Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 18, 2014 18:13:37 GMT -6
Do you really think the RUMP is that petty? Whoever writes those cartoons in Beric'ht certainly is. The only person whom ESM tends to blame more for the state of Talossa than me is ESB. But if you wanted to prove otherwise, you RUMPers could help the Government get the Head of State involved in the Witt ownership issue.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Dec 18, 2014 21:54:53 GMT -6
But if you wanted to prove otherwise, you RUMPers could help the Government get the Head of State involved in the Witt ownership issue. I spoke with the King today, and he is aware of the issue. Last I heard from him basically boils down to "considering all options." As might be expected this time of year, he's been busy.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 18, 2014 22:50:53 GMT -6
One more: the whole point of having the King administer Witt is that he is by definition apolitical, and if we start having government-appointed admins, that makes it political, no matter how they're selected or instructed to remain neutral. The best thing I could think of would be to have the King plus the Cort pü Inalt, and in a perfect world, that would work, since the King is apolitical and the Cort justices legally can't do anything besides be a Cort justice. But the various Justices are notoriously slow to respond to things, for that very reason--they're not doing anything else in Talossa, so they don't check it as much. But being an admin would require you to act quickly in most cases. So... catch-22. Let's not forget, though, that John is not Wittmeister as King of Talossa. Pete Hottelet gave Witt to him before he became King, and his later elevation to the throne was mere coincidence. So with respect to this: But if you wanted to prove otherwise, you RUMPers could help the Government get the Head of State involved in the Witt ownership issue. I'm not sure it's important or even wise to try get the apolitical head of state, as head of state, to take a position on a political issue under these circumstances. Approaching him in that manner may explain in part his reluctance to respond (though I haven't asked him or advised him on this matter).
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 18, 2014 22:54:54 GMT -6
In the interest of full disclosure, I say that I am the one who asked the King whether to do the Arms request or not (having previously asked Txec, who wasn't sure either), because we didn't know how to proceed, what with the civic disability thing. In the interest of more full disclosure, I also approached him as Viceroy of Arms, not knowing that you had done so. I didn't suggest or advise any course of action, just asked how he preferred to handle what seemed to be an unusual situation.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Dec 19, 2014 12:15:01 GMT -6
Do you really think the RUMP is that petty? Whoever writes those cartoons in Beric'ht certainly is. The only person whom ESM tends to blame more for the state of Talossa than me is ESB. Are you familiar with the phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"? If it weren't so fun to try and get a rise out of you, maybe he would stop trying, or at least stop doing it so much. But the fact is, you're fun to make fun of (to ESM) simply because you react to him. That said, he does do it a lot. I'll admit he's kind of a one-trick pony. But still, if President Obama reacted to every single political cartoon about him that got published, we'd think he was frightfully insecure, no? (And yes, I know Talossa is smaller, but I think the point still stands. You can't react to everything that gets said about you.) Let's not forget, though, that John is not Wittmeister as King of Talossa. Pete Hottelet gave Witt to him before he became King, and his later elevation to the throne was mere coincidence. I was actually not aware of this.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 19, 2014 14:27:31 GMT -6
I'm not sure it's important or even wise to try get the apolitical head of state, as head of state, to take a position on a political issue under these circumstances. Approaching him in that manner may explain in part his reluctance to respond (though I haven't asked him or advised him on this matter). *sigh* I was advised that simply pushing ahead with Government plans for Witt nationalisation would be rude and offensive to John. Now I'm advised that asking him point-blank for his input was rude and offensive. Please tell me if there's any way the likes of me - or the Seneschál - can approach the House of Woolley without committing lèse majesté. But you can't have it both ways. If John owns Witt as a private citizen and he's the best person to own it because he's the King - then it is ipso facto a question of Royal privilege. But the Government would approach this the same way if it were any other private citizen owning the means of communication. Meanwhile, thanks to Sir Iústi for confirming that the Head of State will talk to opposition leaders, but not to Government leaders. Something's wrong here.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Dec 19, 2014 18:43:06 GMT -6
I was advised that simply pushing ahead with Government plans for Witt nationalisation would be rude and offensive to John. Now I'm advised that asking him point-blank for his input was rude and offensive. Please tell me if there's any way the likes of me - or the Seneschál - can approach the House of Woolley without committing lèse majesté. But you can't have it both ways. If John owns Witt as a private citizen and he's the best person to own it because he's the King - then it is ipso facto a question of Royal privilege. But the Government would approach this the same way if it were any other private citizen owning the means of communication. While I do believe the King to be the best person to own Witt, by virtue of being king, I was unaware that this was not by design. And I believe the King should go on administering Witt, and possibly have a chunk of the civil service dedicated to adminning, but still under the King's supervision. I'm not the leader of anything. I just sent the King a message to make sure he knew that the discussion was going on, not in a political capacity. I just was talking to him on Gtalk, is all.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 19, 2014 19:51:27 GMT -6
I also sent the King a GTalk message. He told me he is considering a response.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 19, 2014 21:08:11 GMT -6
Well, let me put it on record that for the King to be "considering a response" for more than six weeks - 20% of a legislative term - to a simple question seems to me to be breathtakingly rude. He could have told ME he would consider a response, even that he'd take his time considering one. Either to my first email or to my reminder email. But he simply ignored two letters from his own government.
Quick show of hands from the broad masses. LIKE this post if you think it's behaviour unbefitting a King to not reply to an official question from his Government for six weeks, while being happy to talk to others. I mean, I'm a republican, but if an elected President did this stunt I'd be making sure he wasn't re-elected.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 19, 2014 21:52:38 GMT -6
I agree that His Majesty should probably reply, although it has only been a few days, not six weeks. It seems pretty likely that the previous emails went awry, into spam (or maybe that promotions folder thing that has recently plagued me).
While I'm an avid political fan and a big believer in accountability, and while I understand that you have a very specific agenda you're pushing here, I do think we need to show some measure of charity in this sort of thing. Once you know your message has gotten across, and not gone astray, cut a little slack. It's been a few days, and you yourself just remarked that not everyone always has a lot of time available for things like consideration of this sort of stuff.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Dec 20, 2014 5:08:24 GMT -6
I firmly believe it is a problem and a flaw in Talossa's political system that the head of the state doesn't have to stand contested elections (or other regular democratic input of the citizenry) every once in a while, no matter how quick or how slow he's replying to questions.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Dec 20, 2014 5:21:18 GMT -6
This discussion is largely pointless. Of course the King should respond to official communications from his government, or we start eroding at the concept of constitutional monarchy that a decent proportion of the population want to uphold. If RUMP really are the party of strengthening the monarchy, then they ought to be joining calls for the King to fulfil his obligations.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Dec 20, 2014 7:01:39 GMT -6
One main argument for the monarchy has always been that a good monarch might be able to operate more impartial than an elected head of the state. If it actually wouldn't be so, why else should we stick to an uncontested, hereditary postition at the helm of our nationette?
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 20, 2014 9:00:29 GMT -6
This discussion is largely pointless. Of course the King should respond to official communications from his government, or we start eroding at the concept of constitutional monarchy that a decent proportion of the population want to uphold. If RUMP really are the party of strengthening the monarchy, then they ought to be joining calls for the King to fulfil his obligations. When I GTalked the King, I did indeed tell him he needed to respond. But then, I'm not a RUMPer (anymore) and I wasn't when I spoke with him.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2014 14:29:17 GMT -6
One could even argue, Dr. Nordselva, is that it's precisely because you advised His Majesty to do his duty that you are now a Progressive, i.e. a sensible and reasonable monarchist, as opposed to the other kind.
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