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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jan 30, 2015 17:17:36 GMT -6
Here are the differences, perfectly explained by CGP Grey (the same guy who explains the voting system, the weird borders and other very interesting videos...
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Post by Martì Vataldestreça on Jan 31, 2015 18:57:58 GMT -6
I'm puzzled. I thought Sark was in the UK but not in Great Britain. No. The UK is Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as it says on the tin. The Channel Islands and the Island of Man are Crown Dependencies of the UK, not part of it. So, for example, the Manx have no legal right to permanent residence in Britain or in Northern Ireland. Interesting. I'm not quite sure that's true, Miestrâ. All British Citizens have right of abode in the UK, and as the Manx are British Citizens, that includes them. What they don't have if they were born on the island (unless a parent or grandparent was born or has lived in the UK for 5 consecutive years) is freedom of movement and employment within the EU, as the Isle of Man isn't a member. The same goes for Jersey and Guernsey, but not, oddly, for Gibraltar.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 31, 2015 22:50:17 GMT -6
Well, the husband of one of my friends is Manx and that's what he told me.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Feb 1, 2015 5:15:30 GMT -6
Well, the husband of one of my friends is Manx and that's what he told me. May I direct you here?
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Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on Feb 1, 2015 7:22:21 GMT -6
Well, the husband of one of my friends is Manx and that's what he told me. May I direct you here? insert video hereI'm not part of the discussion, but your link brought me (indirectly) to this video
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Post by Martì Vataldestreça on Feb 1, 2015 11:04:09 GMT -6
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Feb 1, 2015 11:17:21 GMT -6
May I direct you here? insert video hereI'm not part of the discussion, but your link brought me (indirectly) to this video Insert Video here Well... Miestra did talk about the husband of a friend as if he was expert, so I was not entirely wrong. As for the Fallacy Fallacy, it's only when you reject the opinion of someone BECAUSE you pointed a fallacy, which is something that I didn't do... I didn't say Miestra was wrong, I said her argument was a fallacy, therefore, I didn't fall into the fallacy fallacy. Furthermore, I was not arguing for or against Miestra. However, I was only posting my video out of an attempt to tease my friend Miestra, and as such, merit the mockery if you did your posting to mock me.... If that's the case, Chapeau! (Hats to you)! If not, you are a fart and your mother is fat. (ducks while Marcel fetches the Ad Hominen fallacy video). Disclaimer: I am in a good mood and making jokes. Please do not take anything I said today in this thread seriously.
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Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on Feb 1, 2015 11:30:20 GMT -6
However, I was only posting my video out of an attempt to tease my friend Miestra, and as such, merit the mockery if you did your posting to mock me.... If that's the case, Chapeau! (Hats to you)! I GET ALL THE CHAPEAUX! Hm... Hang on... Instead of just linking you to the Ad Hominem video, how about the WHOLE PLAYLIST!Edit: I just noticed that I've watched every single one of em in the last 4 hours; I procrastinate too much. Don't worry, I love me some autosarcasm, especially if it's going against myself!
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Feb 14, 2015 10:09:24 GMT -6
I love the videos!
However - life is even more complicated than that. I, for example, was born in Dublin. At the time I was born Dublin was (and still is) in the country of Southern Ireland - Eire. My parents were also born in Dublin. However, when they were born Dublin was in the UK. (Don't worry - it get more complicated than that...)
When I was aged three my parents moved with me to the UK - London, to be precise. They were British Citizens, and always had been. I was too young to need a passport (ah, those were the days...). As a child I never went abroad - except to Southern Ireland... and you do not (technically) need a passport to travel between Southern Ireland and the UK (other than Northern Ireland... I told you it would get complicated) if you were British. How they determined, at the crossing, whether you were British or not is beyond me. You still (technically) don't need a passport to travel between the UK and Eire if you are either British or Irish - and the easiest way to prove that, is to show your passport. Yes, I know, I know - it's not logical. Other documents can be used, but nowadays you'll be held up at immigration control for a long time if you try it.
I applied for my first passport in 1968. And (wouldn't you have guessed it?) the law had changed by that time. So even though my parents had been born in the UK, and never been anything but British Citizens, I was, instead a British Subject. I had the right to apply for citizenship if I wanted it - and it would not have cost anything (other than filling in lots of forms), but I never got round to doing so. Subject / Citizen it makes no difference. Well - it made no difference.
But, of course, times change.
There are other British Subjects. In our oh-we-are-not-really-racist way we (I say "we", but actually I mean "they" - there is no way I condone this!) looked for ways in which we could stop some British Subjects from coming here to our pure, unsullied land. (<puke>). So there is yet another mark that can be put on your passport "Holder has the right of abode in the United Kingdom". I have this on my (British Subject) passport.
So far, so good.
Then we had the horrible, horrible 'nine eleven'.
The Visa regulations for the USA were changed. I had a permanent, repeatable re-entry visa in my British (Subject) passport, passed on as passports expired and were renewed. But now that visa could no longer be passed down to a non-Citizen passport. So to get into the USA I would have to apply for a new visa each time. So should I now, at long last, become a British Citizen? Well, no... remember I said it was at no cost? No longer - now it costs a lot of money and you have to take an exam! Stuff that!
It was easier for me to get an Irish passport than apply for a visa. No, I have never, since I was three years old, lived in Ireland. No, none of my ancestors had Irish nationality, nor were they born in Eire. But I am - by rights - an Irish Citizen (my Irish passport tells me so). And, incidentally, so are my children - though they are also British Citizens.
So when I go to the USA I do so on my Irish passport - for which I can get visa waiver, rather than my British passport - for which I can't.
Ah, logic, logic - poor, expired thing.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Feb 16, 2015 9:54:53 GMT -6
Now that is indeed ridiculous Ian.
I knew a guy in college. He was technically born in the US, and immigrated to Canada as a kid, when he was still a baby.
However, his parents were jewish refugees from the Holocost: they met at Auchwitz. His father was German and his mother Polish. His mother was pregnant from him soon after Auchwitz.
He was only born in the US because his parents had fled Europe in 1945 for the USA, but they never settled in the USA. Instead, within a year, the crossed over to Canada, without really asking for citizenship in Canada.
Apparently, no one noticed in Montreal, in the jewish areas of the city.
He later studied at McGill university. He had managed to get back then Québec papers like a driver's license as if he was a citizen.
His citizenship was noted as being Canadian because well, no-one really checked. He was a few months old baby apparently born in Canada.
His father died later, and his mom moved to South Africa in the end of the 90s. Why? No clue. Maybe the weather... She just did. When I initially met him, she was 90 or so and still quite active.
Then, he applied for a passport to visit her in South Africa and things got freaky...
They realized that he didn't technically have the Canadian citizenship and as such, couldn't give him a passport. He is officially an illegal immigrant despite having lived in Canada in all of his known life, and paid taxes as a Canadian and even got a Canadian social security number...
So, in Canada, they consider him a Canadian.
But he isn't abroad...
He is technically an American, but the US doesn't seem to know about him. Because of IRS laws, if he gets a US passport, he will need to pay taxes in the US and he has a big company and makes a lot of money, so that's not a choice...
Poland might be able to help him because his mother was Polish, but it would rather complicated. Germany might actually be worse, but they might be remorseful enough to help him out.
As for South Africa, his mother moved there when he was in his 50 or 60s, and she isn't a citizen, just a permanent resident (or the local equivalent).
So, which passport did he get? The Israel one, since being Jewish, he can get the citizenship and after explaining the whole situation, they gave him a passport, they are hoping he will retire in Israel with his company...
But to go in the US, he would need a Visa...
When I met him, he was returning to college to help grow his company, and we did business for a few years.
He eventually got a Canadian passport and officially became a Canadian citizen. He hasn't retired yet, despite being 70.
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Dec 23, 2015 3:45:53 GMT -6
This poor, nearly-expired, thread raised some interesting questions, and produced some fascinating answers. What I was hoping it would do (and I see that others hoped this to) would be to persuade the <collective noun> of Talossans to work upon our unity and our culture with a sense of fun, and not conflict.
It's easy to be confrontational, it's easy to say "I'm right, you're wrong" "No, I am right and you are wrong, and your mother is..." - but it's harder to say "hmmm, lets think this through together, with no animosity." When we speak of 'forging agreement' the image is not of two blacksmiths hitting each other with hammers (doing damage to the blacksmiths), but instead the image of two blacksmiths both hammering on the same red-hot iron (the problem) until that problem is the the shape upon which they can agree - it is the problem, not each blacksmith, that takes the blows.
When we make jokes we are doing something which is far, far more important than our arguing about the moral qualities of other people who hold this or that opinion with which I do not personally agree, and your mother is....
And what is the <collective noun> for Talossans? Kindle? Cete? Ostentation? No - it's a Tickling of Talossans... or it should be.
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