King John
King of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 5-7-2005
Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Oct 11, 2014 11:04:30 GMT -6
I understand the impatience about getting the Court system moving again; in fact, I share it. I've been in touch over the last few weeks with the Clerk of Courts, hoping to expedite a solution, but (as you all know) the Clerk's ability to communicate with us is seriously impaired.
My only difficulty with the PD is that it specifies that S:reu Holmes's removal is being done "as per Lex.G.5.9"; which is simply not true. That law authorizes the removal of the Clerk only for misconduct, and SPECIFICALLY says that his failure to act due to military service is NOT misconduct. If the Seneschal or the Ziu wanted to remove the Clerk by law (or PD), that would be entirely legal; but it would be a *different* law, not Lex.G.5.9.
Let's wait a few more days. If we don't get a Deputy appointed soon, we can find other routes to the desired end.
— John R
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
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Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Oct 11, 2014 14:51:28 GMT -6
Can you say "constitutional crisis", boys and girls, I knew you could?
Seriously; this is a really bad move from the monarchy and the monarchist opposition. They have decided to face down the election Government, dominated by moderate monarchists, and to humiliate the Seneschál to no good end but (a) protecting their ol' buddy Brad; (b) reasserting that the forces of conservatism in Talossa have powers to subvert democracy if they don't like its outcomes.
This will do nothing but put the moderate monarchists closer to the "full-fledged constitutional reform" camp, if not actually to republicanism. So be it.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Oct 11, 2014 15:16:34 GMT -6
I'm not entirely sure where this alarm about a crisis is coming from, or why you think the Seneschal has been humiliated. I do think the Prime Dictate was a pretty lousy idea, since it suggested that the Clerk was guilty of "misconduct" for doing something he was explicitly allowed to do under the law. I'm also very glad he is appointing a deputy, as many of us have requested.
I mean, the mere fact that the King dared to decline a PD is not much of a crisis, especially when almost every member of the Bar who commented here (except for the Attorney-General), including every member of the Magistracy, said that this bill didn't seem warranted. The Chief Magistrate and your own Minister of Finance even took care to speak up and say that he'd always gotten prompt responses.
I'm really glad that this is getting solved, since the Clerk is having difficulties, and I hope to see the corts moving again soon. But I don't see much to despair over.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
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Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Oct 11, 2014 15:37:26 GMT -6
This will do nothing but put the moderate monarchists closer to the "full-fledged constitutional reform" camp, if not actually to republicanism. So be it. SOME moderate monarchists, possibly. But some members of the coalition expressed discomfort with this PD from the beginning. The Seneschal's response to my terpelaziun shows that he didn't consider any other option (including options already spelled out in the law), but went straight to DEFCON 1. This was unnecessary. As His Majesty's response shows, there were other options that would have been at the same time less legally controversial and less provocative. If the Seneschal wishes to avoid unnecessary embarrassment, he might do well to steer shy of the "first, accuse someone of misconduct" approach to problem-solving that seems to have become so popular in some quarters. Is that the kind of community we want to be? I mean, come on, really. It's clear that the logjam in the Clerk's office is going to be resolved. Is leveling a formal charge of misconduct at Brad (no matter how shaky the legal grounds) really the most important thing about resolving it, from the government's perspective? Because that's the only thing His Majesty had a problem with.
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Post by Colonel Mximo Carbonèl on Oct 11, 2014 23:38:27 GMT -6
Their is no waiting... do or don t vetos the PD...
Please somebody show the ZIU exit door to the king...
Mximo
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Oct 12, 2014 16:56:05 GMT -6
Please somebody show the ZIU exit door to the king... Le Roi est un membre, ex officio, du Ziu, et donc personne ne lui "montrer le porte," "Colonel."
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Oct 13, 2014 1:10:38 GMT -6
Quelques mots manquent de cette phrase et alors son sens n'est pas clair.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Oct 13, 2014 12:33:09 GMT -6
Quelques mots manquent de cette phrase et alors son sens n'est pas clair. Blame Google Translate. It's meant to say "No one will 'show him the door.'" Actually, I see now that I'm missing a verb, and it's la porte, isn't it? Also, I didn't figure "show (someone) the door" was the same in French? Personne ne lui "montrera la porte"? Is that better? Evidently my facility with el glheþ does not lend itself well to saying things in French.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Oct 13, 2014 12:39:19 GMT -6
This is why we don't invite you two to the parties.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Oct 13, 2014 12:48:52 GMT -6
This is why we don't invite you two to the parties. It's just as well. We'd both just sit on opposite ends of the bar, nursing a drink and muttering to ourselves in Talossan.
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Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial
Batetz las maes, perf. —— Freelance glheþineir (I only accept Worthless Internet Points™ as payment)
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Talossan Since: May 12, 2014
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Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on Oct 13, 2014 13:17:01 GMT -6
This is why we don't invite you two to the parties. It's just as well. We'd both just sit on opposite ends of the bar, nursing a drink and muttering to ourselves in Talossan. Éu non put avistarh el problüm.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Oct 13, 2014 16:22:51 GMT -6
It's just as well. We'd both just sit on opposite ends of the bar, nursing a drink and muttering to ourselves in Talossan. Éu non put avistarh el problüm. El problüm paßadra quand noi embù tenadrent avutescu aßei del erxhent Talossan...
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King John
King of Talossa
Posts: 2,415
Talossan Since: 5-7-2005
Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Oct 18, 2014 14:34:42 GMT -6
Well, nobody seems to be volunteering to serve as Deputy, and nobody has been appointed, so ...
With reluctance, I hereby relieve S:reu Bradley Holmes from duty as Clerk of Courts, thanking him very heartily for his honourable service in that office.
The office is open, and the Prime Minister can feel free to nominate a new Clerk.
— John R
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 20, 2014 13:09:26 GMT -6
With this line already in the PD, was there a need for a new appointment?
"FURTHERMORE, if Royal Assent over this Prime Dictate is granted, His Majesty's Government would respectfully like to recommend to His Majesty S:r Marcel Tafial as the new Clerk of Courts."
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Oct 20, 2014 13:22:42 GMT -6
His Majesty declined to sign the PD, though, so it never came into effect.
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