August 2012 Clark

44RZ1 - The Terpelaziuns (Parliamentary Question) Act: Contra
44RZ2 - The Once More Unto the Breach Amendment: Per
44RZ3 - The Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain Amendment: Contra
44RZ4 - The There is Such a Thing as Too Much Fun: Per
44RZ5 - The Where do You Want to be Oiled First? Amendment: Per
44RZ666 - The Let's Waste Time and Propose Stupid Legislation Amendment: Contra
44RZ777 - The My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter Amendment: Per
44RZ8 - The Judicial Oath Amendment: Per
44RZ9 - The Don't Let the Past Rule the Future Amendment: Contra
44RZ10 - The Short Amendment: Per
44RZ11 - The Article XIX Amendment: Contra
44RZ12 - The The Opening of the Cosa to the Broad Masses Amendment: Contra
44RZ13 - The Dandelion Seedling Semi-Protection Amendment: Per

Vote of Confidence: Uc

44RZ1 (Terpelaziuns) - I'm not entirely sure about this one. Surely ad hoc and verbal questions can be asked to the government without legislation saying so. Sure, the bill ensures that questions will be answered and within specific time frames and such, however, I dislike the way it provides 'escape hatches' for ministers. If a question is not 'titled properly' it can be a defence for the minister to not answer it? - NON

44RZ2 (Breach) - I LOVE THIS BILL! - NON

44RZ3 (Curtain) - I am still not 100% sold that we need a secret ballot in Talossa. The burden of proof on the supporters of the secret ballot has not been satisfied. They have yet to prove that a bandwagon effect exists and are yet to prove that an open ballot is more likely to suffer from fraud. In fact, taking a look at past Uppermost Cort Cases proves that the open ballot has successfully prevented fraudulent voting. Still, I recognize that a significant portion of the society desires to vote in secret, citing privacy concerns. This bill caters for them while at the same time allowing a similar "human eye" scrutiny from an electoral commission to prevent fraud. Further, the bill still allows supporters of the open ballot to continue voting out in the open. Sounds like a win-win to me. - PER

44RZ4 (Fun) - Sensible. The month long election is too long, especially when the fortnight of campaigning prior to balloting day is also taken into consideration. An incidental consequence of this bill would be that it gives a full month after the election before the first Clark commences. It has been said that this gives a new government more time to form itself but it also gives an extra two weeks to incoming legislators to propose and debate bills for the first Clarks. This makes me wonder if we will still need the "10 day Hopper rule" for Clark #1 if this passes. Something to discuss for the next Clark perhaps. - PER

44RZ5 (Oil) - The only issue I have with this bill is that it still messes around with party endorsements of senate candidates, something I would like to see abolished. Anyway, that is a separate issue for separate consideration. This bills main thrust is in devolving electoral powers to the provinces and I think that is a good step towards increasing overall provincial activity. - PER

44RZ666 (Lets Waste Time) - For similar reasons to 'Carpenter' below. - NON

44RZ777 (Carpenter) - As Justice dal Navá and Member Edwards point out, this bill likely infringes upon 'freedom of conscience'. - NON

44RZ8 (Oath) - Nothing wrong here. Nothing to say. - PER

44RZ9 (Past/Future) - Totally undecided and I don't think more time or discussion will help me. - AUS

44RZ10 (Short) - Again, betwixxed and betweened. I understand the reasons to abolish but I always hoped we would eventually get around to sorting this out properly so that Members did end up with a geographic area. If for nothing more than ceremony. - AUS

44RZ11 (XIX) - I honestly don't understand the problems that a few people have with this bill. Well, I do, if I really strain myself to think like a die hard derivitist for a few moments. The fact remains, though, that certain things will never affect, effect or simply enter into Talossan affairs and our law should probably reflect that. I also fail to see how one or two people believe this bill removes one's 'rights'. Just because a 'right' has not been 'enshrined' as such does not take away those 'rights'. The rights will still exist by implication. This bill ensures that Talossans will not be charged, tried, judged, mocked, whatever for various things that may be illegal elsewhere and in macronational laws. Such rights within Talossa (and within any conceivable Talossan context) will still stand without so-called 'enshrinement'. At the same time this bill removes from the laws certain aspects that could alienate some Talossans by infringing on their 'freedoms of conscience'. - PER

44RZ12 (Masses) - I think a little more discussion is needed on this. I also think 13 is too low a number right now. Plus the number 13 gives me the heeby jeebys proper. It's bad enough that this Clark has ended up with 13 bills on it at the same time as an RZ666! Totally bad joo-joo, dude! - NON

44RZ13 (Seedling) - Conscience call. - AUS


VOC - UC

44RZ1 (Terpelaziuns) - Okay about this one. - PER

44RZ2 (Breach) - What is going to be the next new province, Port Maxhestic? Ataturk East? Maricopa North-North-West? Cezembre Autorisee and Interditee? - CON

44RZ3 (Curtain) - Though I will continue to vote with the open ballot, I don't see any reason to impede others to cast their votes privately. - AUS

44RZ4 (Fun) - Great. Why I haven't cosponsored it? - PER

44RZ5 (Oil) - Look at 44RZ3. - AUS

44RZ666 (Lets Waste Time) - Viteu, for once I must blame you. - CON

44RZ777 (Carpenter) - No comments, because a vocabulary won't be enough to write all them. - CON

44RZ8 (Oath) - Okay. - PER

44RZ9 (Past/Future) - As above, good bill. - PER

44RZ10 (Short) - When is right is right. - PER

44RZ11 (XIX) - With apologizes, I haven't understood nothing and I doubt that read the amendment once more will help me. - AUS

44RZ12 (Masses) - I think there are other ways to "open the Cosa to the masses", but this might be a starting point. - PER

44RZ13 (Seedling) - Don't ask me nothing anymore about that Covenant. - AUS


VOC - UC. Best wishes to do a good job, RUMPers.

I hereby cast my votes as follows:

44RZ1: PER
44RZ2: AUSTENEU
44RZ3: PER
44RZ5: PER
44RZ666: CONTRA
44RZ777: CONTRA
44RZ8: PER
44RZ9: PER
44RZ10: AUSTENEU
44RZ11: PER
44RZ12: PER
44RZ13: CONTRA
VoC: NON

C. Carlüs Xheraltescu, MC-ZRT

[The quirky MC pulls himself up from his seat once again, takes the gum from his mouth and sticks it to the back of the person sitting in front of him, and stumbles to the podium]


For this First Clark of the 44th Cosa, I cast my votes as follows:


On 44RZ1, I vote PER. I understand where some are coming from on asking questions of Ministers, however, as this bill points out, legislation is already in place for this purpose, and this bill simply serves to update the way it is codified.

On 44RZ2, I AUSTANÉU. I have received countless telegrams from the residents of Péngöpäts that express so many different opinions, I cannot say for sure what the residents themselves wish. Therefore, at this time I cannot bring myself as a representative to vote one way or another until the conclusion of a non-binding poll my office will be taking shortly.

On 44RZ3, I vote PER. I believe in a secret balloting system, and I feel that this is a big step towards such a system.

On 44RZ4, I vote PER. After going through my first seemingly endless month of a General Election, I feel as though we could have one a bit shorter. Much shorter.

On 44RZ5, I vote PER, for reasons specified above already. Why did we need two bills for the same purpose though?

On 44RZ666, I vote a hearty PER! Although we shouldn't have such legislation as it is infringing on a Talossan's religious rights, we have people voting for RZ777, so I'm going to vote for RZ666.

On 44RZ777, I cast a hard vote CONTRA. I prefer real kings.

On 44RZ8, I vote PER. I know I've only been here since January, but there hasn't been a judicial oath until now?

On 44RZ9, I vote PER. I see nothing wrong with this.

On 44RZ10, I vote CONTRA! The only representation Péngöpäts currently has is through my Cosa seats. Why should we amend this anyway? If you don't want to practice ceremonial representation, then don't. I want to, and I will.

On 44RZ11, I vote PER. This amendment seeks to update the current Covenant of Rights and Freedoms.

On 44RZ12, I AUSTANÉU. Not too sure why this is all that important.

On 44RZ13, I AUSTANÉU. Although I would typically vote against this, I'll let the Citizens decide.

Regarding the VoC, I happily vote ÜC.

[The Gentleman suddenly feels the urge to use the bathroom, and runs straight out the doors without saying another word.]

44RZ1: PER
44RZ2: CONTRA
44RZ3: PER
44RZ4: PER
44RZ5: PER
44RZ666: CONTRA
44RZ777: AUS
44RZ8: PER
44RZ9: PER
44RZ10: CONTRA
44RZ11: PER
44RZ12: CONTRA
44RZ13: AUS
VoC: ÜC