Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 24, 2012 16:23:49 GMT -6
 1. Party manifesto: The absolutely brilliant, even better than the last one, definitive manifesto of the MRPT for the 44th cosa: On micronations:
The MRPT does not want to become involved with bug-micronations, but thinks the semi-permeable only limits the ability of the government to act in Talossa's best interest. In the distant future diplomatic relations with serious nations that are similar to Talossa are an option. The ban on dual citizenship limits personal freedom and might, like all unneccesary government restrictions, drive Talossans away from Talossan society On political reform:
No VoC during the first clark. More time for the formation of a government. On the long term an elected seneschal (preferential voting).Use of a preferential voting method, like IRV or Ranked Pairs for senatorial elections. Fee for accepting seats in the senäts. Only 50% of the votes in the Senäts is needed for approval of an act or amendment to the orglaw. Introducing mandatory candidate lists for cosa elections.On the secret ballot:
Introducing a secret ballot is an option, but only under the following conditions: a) Voters must be able to confirm the election results directly. b) A small group of citizens that can be trusted by all parties must have access to the admin account of the election program.
c) If these requirements cannot be met, there must be a way to switch to an open ballot without having to change the orglaw. On other issues:
Stimulating and protecting Talossan culture, language and traditions. Increasing provincial activity. On the long term maybe fewer provinces. No need to get rid of the 3-strikes law. Fewer ministries. As long as Talossa does not have a lot of apolitical citizens, requiring the sos to be completely apolitical is not realistic. Protecting the monarchy. On previous acts:
The MRPT still supports the Non-Partisan Senator Amendment and The Privacy of Talossans is Paramount Act. 2. Candidate list 44th cosa. The not so final yet MRPT candidate list: * Alexandreu Likazar * Lüc da Schir 3. Soon We will release: * Not so relevant endorsements for PM and Distain. * The party records for the 43th cosa. * Endorsements for Senators. (Fiovâ, anyone?) * 50 word statement. * Final candidate list. Be prepared. You may want to vote for us, but you dont have to. |
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Óïn Ursüm
Posts: 1,032
Talossan Since: 3-10-2009
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on May 24, 2012 16:36:55 GMT -6
Welcome to the race! I'll write an article for Mormoglhen tomorrow.
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on May 24, 2012 17:01:26 GMT -6
The RUMP wishes to welcome the "now-with-a-T! AND a seahorse!" MRPT to the arena. We disagree with all the parts of your platfo...er, manifesto that we're supposed to disagree with, and agree with all those that we're supposed to agree with! We congratulate you and wish you well in the campaign!
(( Hool ))
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 24, 2012 17:27:18 GMT -6
"Party fee for accepting seats in the senäts. "
So if a Political Party has a member elected to the Senats, they have to pay a fee for that?
What if the person runs as an Independent?
What if they win , but their Party can't afford to pay for it?
"Introducing mandatory candidate lists for cosa elections"
What happens if they have a slate of 3 Candidates, but win 100 seats?
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 24, 2012 17:43:52 GMT -6
"Party fee for accepting seats in the senäts. "So if a Political Party has a member elected to the Senats, they have to pay a fee for that? What if the person runs as an Independent? What if they win , but their Party can't afford to pay for it? Oops, that was not the actual intention I think. It should just say fee. I personally think we should allow exceptions to the 30 seats rule if a party gets more too many seats, but there are other ways to solve this issue. |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 24, 2012 17:54:53 GMT -6
"Introducing mandatory candidate lists for cosa elections"What happens if they have a slate of 3 Candidates, but win 100 seats? I personally think we should allow exceptions to the 30 seats rule if a party gets more too many seats, but there are other ways to solve this issue.[/quote] That would require an Amendment changing the OrgLaw, in case you were wondering... As for the other question - A person has to pay to be seated in the Senate? What if they are elected by 100% of the Citz in their Province, but can't afford the Fee? What if they are the only person that wants to run, but doesn't have moneys for the Seat Fee? |
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 24, 2012 18:14:23 GMT -6
"Introducing mandatory candidate lists for cosa elections"What happens if they have a slate of 3 Candidates, but win 100 seats? That would require an Amendment changing the OrgLaw, in case you were wondering... That doesnt really scare me. I think you will find more parts of our platform that would require changing the OrgLaw. The same could be said for cosa elections. |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 24, 2012 18:22:33 GMT -6
That would require an Amendment changing the OrgLaw, in case you were wondering... That doesnt really scare me. I think you will find more parts of our platform that would require changing the OrgLaw. The same could be said for cosa elections. And you didn't answer my questions. I'd like to discuss changing the OrgLaw one issue at a time, if you don't mind ? So, you are FOR Senators buying their seats? |
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 24, 2012 18:30:00 GMT -6
That doesnt really scare me. I think you will find more parts of our platform that would require changing the OrgLaw. The same could be said for cosa elections. And you didn't answer my questions. I'd like to discuss changing the OrgLaw one issue at a time, if you don't mind ? So, you are FOR Senators buying their seats? I dont like the idea of having to pay to represent the people, but I see it as a neccesary evil , since we apparently need some form of income, and you probably agree with me that taxes might not be the smartest solution. The MRPT just suggest splitting the bill between the cosa and the senäts. It wont be as expensive as a party fee for cosa elections. Why charge MC's , but not senators? I am not for senators buying their seats. The senators would still be elected by the people, just like MC's. |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 24, 2012 18:37:07 GMT -6
And you didn't answer my questions. I'd like to discuss changing the OrgLaw one issue at a time, if you don't mind ? So, you are FOR Senators buying their seats? I dont like the idea of having to pay to represent the people, but I see it as a neccesary evil , since we apparently need some form of income, and you probably agree with me that taxes might not be the smartest solution. The MRPT just suggest splitting the bill between the cosa and the senäts. It wont be as expensive as a party fee for cosa elections. Why charge MC's , but not senators? I am not for senators buying their seats. The senators would still be elected by the people, just like MC's. But, with a seat fee - only those citizens who could afford the fee could be senators. We currently do not elect individual MC's - we elect Parties to represent us. We don't charge individuals - we charge Parties. There's a big difference. You can get a seat in the Cosa without personally having to pay anything. As long as the political group can afford the fee, then individual members aren't limited to if they personally can afford it. |
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on May 25, 2012 13:42:09 GMT -6
Here we go! Here we go! Here we go!
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 25, 2012 15:59:34 GMT -6
I dont like the idea of having to pay to represent the people, but I see it as a neccesary evil , since we apparently need some form of income, and you probably agree with me that taxes might not be the smartest solution. The MRPT just suggest splitting the bill between the cosa and the senäts. It wont be as expensive as a party fee for cosa elections. Why charge MC's , but not senators? I am not for senators buying their seats. The senators would still be elected by the people, just like MC's. But, with a seat fee - only those citizens who could afford the fee could be senators. We currently do not elect individual MC's - we elect Parties to represent us. We don't charge individuals - we charge Parties. There's a big difference. You can get a seat in the Cosa without personally having to pay anything. As long as the political group can afford the fee, then individual members aren't limited to if they personally can afford it. Well, for very large parties it might be different, cause they can divide cost between many members, but for small parties, the same things apply. Anyway, the fee will probably be very small, so almost everyone should be able to pay (especially since you would only have to pay once every 2 or so years and only when you are elected, so there are no lose-lose situations.) PS Just to be clear, personally I have every intention at the moment to remain senator for more than one term, so the MRPT is not doing me a favour. |
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 25, 2012 16:06:49 GMT -6
BTW, if you are a Talossan citizen and you read this manifesto/platform and you think "WOW! Brilliant! Why am I not an MRPT member/candidate???" you are more than welcome to join.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 25, 2012 20:56:56 GMT -6
" Anyway, the fee will probably be very small, so almost everyone should be able to pay "
But my opinion is - if one Talossan is unable to pay the fee, no matter how small , that is one Talossan too many.
Being a Senator should rest only upon what the citizens of the Province want - not if the candidate can afford to be the Senator.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on May 25, 2012 22:37:02 GMT -6
The ZRT approves the idea of preferential voting for the Senäts, but we question whether that might be too much to shove down the throats of the conservatives. Allowing provinces to choose their own voting system would be, we think, a good compromise position.
If a party wins 100 seats but only has 3 active members, then tough for them for not getting more Talossans politically active. One effect of party lists and a secret ballot will be to provide an incentive for getting involved in a party before the election, rather than voting for them and getting a treat for it.
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