Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial
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Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on Jul 8, 2014 5:56:16 GMT -6
I personally agree with Lupüc, the kingdom is quirky, why shouldn't it's holidays be? I wonder how many would-be prospective citizens we turn off by seeming to be teenagers who think that hatred and dictators are funny. Almost me.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 8, 2014 6:43:42 GMT -6
I wonder how many would-be prospective citizens we turn off by seeming to be teenagers who think that hatred and dictators are funny. Almost me. And what good deed that you have still come up to us! You are an asset, and I see a bright future for you - and the C'hoaliziun!
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 8, 2014 10:43:22 GMT -6
Except for possibly renaming the Holiday of Hatred, I see no reason to remove the others.
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Post by Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha on Jul 8, 2014 13:17:04 GMT -6
Right after D:ma Schiva wrote this message, I left for Arezzo, so I couldn't answer nor read the rest of the messages that followed, and as such, defend my point of view. Most of the things everyone else said were my own opinions too. One issue is that the Opposition have been using this slew of "observances" as a stick to bash the Government with, demanding that various government spokespeople make some kind of pronouncement endorsing them. Most of these I'd never heard of until a couple of weeks ago, and I've been involved in Talossa for almost 20 years. Most of them are not legitimate parts of Talossan culture, but mere jeux d'esprit of KR1. Most of the Talossan culture was in fact established by KR1. But that's not the discussion at hand. I am defending what the Holiday of Hatred stands for, but not its name though. Lupüc, the common culture which I indulge in as a Talossan has got nothing to do with the day the first newspaper was published in Talossa and certainly has nothing to do with Hatred. Some of these dates are unnecessary, but I'm not sure yet how I feel on getting rid of them. The day the first Talossan newspaper was published, to me, is an important day in Talossan history, since it marks the day Talossan journalism (very prominent today) started, and also when el glheþ started to be used in everyday life (appearing in a newspaper) [this is also a controversial point, since the newspaper was written by KR1, but please, I don't want to debate this now]. Obviously, the Holiday of Hatred is kind of an antilogy: holidays are supposed to be happy days. I am completely consonant with the renaming of CERTAIN holidays and days of observance. Merging - maybe. Can you seriously be defending the Holiday of Hatred? Someone who defends mutation madness in el ghletg can surely support anything! Yeah, yeah, I'M the mad one. ;P Seriously, though, what about renaming the Holiday of Hatred to "Flag Day"? This is what I would've suggested, if I hadn't left for Arezzo. Precisely my opinion.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 8, 2014 13:39:58 GMT -6
I would also be open to renaming that holiday, although I'm opposed to the jettisoning of our other (few in number) holidays, even if a handful of present people don't see their purpose or find it onerous to notice that they're occurring.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 8, 2014 13:54:44 GMT -6
In the USA, I'm not sure why we have Arbor Day, Groundhog Day, or Columbus Day. That doesn't mean I want them wiped off the Calendar. Some people may like them, even celebrate them. They aren't causing any harm, so why bother removing them?
I feel the same about the Talossan holidays. I may not celebrate them, but they are a rich part of our Kingdom's history, so why abolish them?
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Owen Edwards
Puisne Justice
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jul 8, 2014 14:03:10 GMT -6
AD makes an offhand remark which raises the real question here (so far as he's concerned) - to what degree is it any given government's job to celebrate each and every holiday.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 8, 2014 14:15:02 GMT -6
The holidays aren't a "rich part of Talossan tradition". Apart from big ones like Llimbaziuâ and Independence Day, they were ignored in pre-Revolutionary Talossa. Most of them were just named in legislation or PDs and then forgotten. The RUMP, during its time in power, "invented tradition" based on texts which were ignored by their author during his time in power.
Indeed, as Owen says, I want to make it clear exactly to what extent the Government is "required" to follow these mostly-bogus traditions.
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Post by Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha on Jul 8, 2014 14:36:09 GMT -6
As for my own personal opinion, I would suggest that the "Off With Their Heads" and "Holiday of Hatred" days should be first to go. I'm more in favour of a renaming. Why? Not everyone has the same opinion about America being the best country on Earth, or even being democratic. :/ Agreed. And replace with Reunision day (i.e. make it a public holiday, because I believe it is a MAJOR event in Talossan history) Agreed. Kinda useless.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 8, 2014 14:37:24 GMT -6
The RUMP, during its time in power, "invented tradition" based on texts which were ignored by their author during his time in power. So, is it the holiday, or the author that you don't like?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 8, 2014 14:43:10 GMT -6
Eh, bit of both. I'm not going to mess with Lawsonomics because I love kooks. But KR1's genius and perseverance in founding and maintaining Talossa was undercut with a nasty intolerance of dissent or opposition. So I oppose those holidays which demonstrate the latter part of his character.
Lupüc: you are barking up a wrong tree indeed if you accuse me of US patriotism. Contrary to the claims of my political enemies, I am no monomaniac ideologue - part of the job of any member of Talossa's Government is to find common ground between far-left, far-right and far-middle-of-the-road in establishing our institutions.
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Post by Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha on Jul 8, 2014 14:49:33 GMT -6
Lupüc: you are barking up a wrong tree indeed if you accuse me of US patriotism. Contrary to the claims of my political enemies, I am no monomaniac ideologue - part of the job of any member of Talossa's Government is to find common ground between far-left, far-right and far-middle-of-the-road in establishing our institutions. I do believe that our holidays and observance days should at least include things from Talossan history. Maybe the present Democracy day is a remnant of King Robert's madness (as you claim) but at least it's commemorating a TALOSSAN event in history. Which is also why I would like Reunision Day to take its place.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
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Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 8, 2014 14:51:07 GMT -6
What if a panel was appointed to catalog ALL the existing "Holidays" , and then categorized them by a certain criteria. Those holidays that do not meet the criteria are then "retired", and no longer part of the Talossan Calendar. And those that ARE judged to be important and recognizable holidays are then acknowledged and celebrated by the Culture Ministry ?
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Post by Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha on Jul 8, 2014 15:02:25 GMT -6
What if a panel was appointed to catalog ALL the existing "Holidays" , and then categorized them by a certain criteria. Those holidays that do not meet the criteria are then "retired", and no longer part of the Talossan Calendar. And those that ARE judged to be important and recognizable holidays are then acknowledged and celebrated by the Culture Ministry ? I think that determining if Holidays stay or go should be a job of the citizens, in that sense the Ziu. It is the whole country's heritage, after all.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 8, 2014 15:11:07 GMT -6
If this government doesn't want to recognize holidays, then ignore them. Let the voters decide if it's important. I would prefer that the government value and recognize them, but I'd also prefer a Seneschal who was present. We don't always get what we want.
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