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Post by Melania da Simeon on Apr 1, 2014 16:55:39 GMT -6
If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I, Melania da Simeon, request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs. Cyan is my favored color.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Apr 4, 2014 23:52:34 GMT -6
Unfortunately, because there is questions to if you are truly a Citizen, we are unable to accept your request.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Apr 5, 2014 6:26:54 GMT -6
Sir Preston,
it is not your place to decide whether or not the status of citizenship of Miss Melania da Simeon is questionable, unless you are a Justice of the Uppermost Court sitting in a trial against her. She has been granted Citizenship, and you are advised to act thus.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Apr 5, 2014 6:29:22 GMT -6
Aside from that issue, she is also admittedly well below voting age. The College is not in the practice of, for example, proposing grants of arms for underage Dandelions.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Apr 5, 2014 6:49:26 GMT -6
Aside from that issue, she is also admittedly well below voting age. The College is not in the practice of, for example, proposing grants of arms for underage Dandelions. That I cannot say, and it may well be reasonable to do so. But it feels like bullying, even to me as an outstander, and severely misplaced, when Sir Preston says that her citizenship status were "questionable". |
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Apr 5, 2014 7:54:32 GMT -6
But it feels like bullying, even to me as an outstander, and severely misplaced, when Sir Preston says that her citizenship status were "questionable". Is it not correct? The fact that citizenship was fraudulently obtained does not seem to be in dispute, though there may be a question as to legal responsibility (due, ironically, to the minority which the applicant concealed). |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Apr 5, 2014 8:36:57 GMT -6
But it feels like bullying, even to me as an outstander, and severely misplaced, when Sir Preston says that her citizenship status were "questionable". Is it not correct? The fact that citizenship was fraudulently obtained does not seem to be in dispute, though there may be a question as to legal responsibility (due, ironically, to the minority which the applicant concealed). It is not up to me, to decide whether it is correct, or not. As far as I see, she has obtained citizenship - fraudulently, or not. There may, or may not, be an investigation ongoing due to the fraudulent claims she made on her Immigration Request Form (IRF), but to decide whether her citizenship is 'fully recognised' is neither my place, nor yours, nor Preston's, nor anybody's, but of the Justices of the Uppermost Court. Incidentally, Adam Levì da Simeon has been granted arms (I opine before the minority was known), so "designing" arms for Melania would not even be much of a chore for the College of Arms. |
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Apr 5, 2014 9:07:30 GMT -6
Sir Preston, it is not your place to decide whether or not the status of citizenship of Miss Melania da Simeon is questionable, unless you are a Justice of the Uppermost Court sitting in a trial against her. She has been granted Citizenship, and you are advised to act thus. In case it escaped your notice, I am the Dean of the College. It is my place to make such a decision if the petitioner is eligible. And it is not your place to advise or suggest anything to the College. If you become a Member of the College, then we might think differently. |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Apr 5, 2014 9:44:35 GMT -6
Sir Preston, it is not your place to decide whether or not the status of citizenship of Miss Melania da Simeon is questionable, unless you are a Justice of the Uppermost Court sitting in a trial against her. She has been granted Citizenship, and you are advised to act thus. In case it escaped your notice, I am the Dean of the College. It is my place to make such a decision if the petitioner is eligible. And it is not your place to advise or suggest anything to the College. If you become a Member of the College, then we might think differently. Since when is it the College's practice to decide on legality of citizenship? You are overstepping, when you think, that you can decide, that her "citizenship status is questionable", and you know it. |
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Apr 5, 2014 9:52:18 GMT -6
In case it escaped your notice, I am the Dean of the College. It is my place to make such a decision if the petitioner is eligible. And it is not your place to advise or suggest anything to the College. If you become a Member of the College, then we might think differently. Since when is it the College's practice to decide on legality of citizenship? You are overstepping, when you think, that you can decide, that her "citizenship status is questionable", and you know it. The legality of her Citizenship is in question. To be eligible for Grants of Arms , one must meet this criteria: "Every citizen of Talossa, by the fact of his or her citizenship, is a Gentleman or Lady, and is held for all purposes to be "of gentle blood" and thus entitled to arms as a member of the Talossan gentry. " If and when the question of the legality of Citizenship for this person is determined, we can then determine if the Petitioner meets that requirement. With that said, I honestly do not care about what your opinion is about this issue. You have no standing in the College. |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Apr 5, 2014 9:56:01 GMT -6
Always such a friendly sacapunt.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Apr 5, 2014 13:08:27 GMT -6
Sir Preston, it is not your place to decide whether or not the status of citizenship of Miss Melania da Simeon is questionable, unless you are a Justice of the Uppermost Court sitting in a trial against her. She has been granted Citizenship, and you are advised to act thus. Unless you are a member of the College of Arms, you are not supposed to comment here. Also, if that is a legal threat, you should be advised that the College of Arms does not have to accept anyone's request for arms. |
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