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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 14, 2014 23:59:01 GMT -6
any progression in the "arms race"?
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 25, 2014 6:30:45 GMT -6
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Mar 25, 2014 7:33:57 GMT -6
I can certainly include squares instead of lozenges. I'm not sure about the letters Mo and the number 42 - those aren't traditional charges. Hopefully someone else in the college can confirm or deny that for me. I would personally agree that letters and numerals are not traditional charges and should not normally be allowed. But then again, the College did approve the use of the Sanskrit syllable "om" in multiple designs, and it isn't clear why we would allow arms to feature writing in the Devanagari alphabet but not the Latin alphabet. There's no standard traditional charge for a square, either. The charge "delf" is often depicted as a square, but it technically represents a shovelful of earth, so some artists would depict it with tapered or curved sides. Another possibility is to use the field variation "chequy" (like a checkerboard). A field chequy is most commonly depicted with six columns and seven rows, and six times seven makes.... Of course, not all of the squares of the pattern are visible due to the curvature of the escutcheon. Yet another idea is to work the prime factorisation of 42 (7, 3, 2) into the design. I can think of a few ways that could be done. I like those ideas Sir Cresti but of course it is up to the petitioner. S:rue Roibeardescu, what are your thoughts on the suggestions put forth by Sir Siervicul?
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 25, 2014 8:29:52 GMT -6
I like the idea of the dealf as to it's relation to both the molybdenum crystal and the fact it's from the earth (42nd most common element in the earths crust)... Possibly on a silver background? Would that be the limits of the design? If possible Mo as the charge would be nice
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 25, 2014 9:01:31 GMT -6
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 26, 2014 6:34:45 GMT -6
Humm.... well... im mostly out of ideas... whom ever designs it can play with it as they wish... may be better than i can come up with... im not very artistic :S
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Mar 26, 2014 9:51:02 GMT -6
One idea I had to represent the number 42 is below. Keep in mind this is a VERY preliminary idea. The colors and shapes are not adequate yet but it has four squares (could be selfs) and two roundels which can represent stone. Attachments:
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Mar 26, 2014 12:50:56 GMT -6
I would personally agree that letters and numerals are not traditional charges and should not normally be allowed. But then again, the College did approve the use of the Sanskrit syllable "om" in multiple designs, and it isn't clear why we would allow arms to feature writing in the Devanagari alphabet but not the Latin alphabet. There's no standard traditional charge for a square, either. The charge "delf" is often depicted as a square, but it technically represents a shovelful of earth, so some artists would depict it with tapered or curved sides. Another possibility is to use the field variation "chequy" (like a checkerboard). A field chequy is most commonly depicted with six columns and seven rows, and six times seven makes.... Of course, not all of the squares of the pattern are visible due to the curvature of the escutcheon. Yet another idea is to work the prime factorisation of 42 (7, 3, 2) into the design. I can think of a few ways that could be done. I like those ideas Sir Cresti but of course it is up to the petitioner. S:rue Roibeardescu, what are your thoughts on the suggestions put forth by Sir Siervicul? OM was allowed because of the 'illogical' western influence in Talossa which banned the use of the flyfot. A flyfot is also a well known heraldic charge, but we all know that certain events some 70 years back changed the mind of many in the western world. We no longer blame the nations who actively participated in the holocaust, we do not blame the nations that built the first big bombs causing devastating effects in two cities of an Asian nation, we do not remove the 19th alphabet of the English language, we do not ban the use of the eagle by the numerous nations of the world, but what we do is to develop a negaholic attitude towards the 'flyfot' simply because it did not find any other mention in the 'modern' western world. The flyfot is actually not a symbol of the tyrannic behavior of an individual, but a scapegoat because of his ways. Thus, in the present case the allowance of the 'OM' was a pacifier of sorts. After all, the flyfot to a Hindu is the equivalent to a Cross for the Christians. It is as if I was asked to choose the Star of David instead of the Cross (It is another matter that the star of David too is a composite Hindu religious symbol consisting of both 'OM' & 'HRIM'). Btw, the 'OM' that has been used is not in Devnagri but in Bangla script/ Eastern nagari script. However, when we can have the Chinese script as the Kingdom's charge, I do not find that there could be any restriction to use of other languages.
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 26, 2014 20:16:53 GMT -6
One idea I had to represent the number 42 is below. Keep in mind this is a VERY preliminary idea. The colors and shapes are not adequate yet but it has four squares (could be selfs) and two roundels which can represent stone. Ahh! I like it! Any ideas of improvement? Is there such thing as a charge to represents science? Also, on another note, what is the Chinese symbol on the national coat of arms?
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 26, 2014 20:30:19 GMT -6
Again, this is YOUR Coat of Arms - We are designing this to meet YOUR expectations. YOU will be carrying your Coat of Arms in Talossa. It's not the Fulbright Fellow's, it's not the Penzance Pursuivant's, it's yours. We want to make the best Coat of Arms, ever - for you. You tell us what we can do to improve it. Might I suggest you look here : Heraldry ideas
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 27, 2014 8:09:06 GMT -6
... fine then.... currently I think it needs an emblem along the centre devsion, hence why I am asking if there is any charges that represent science? A star maybe? Failing that, a sword? keeping the pulmonary design also. Could the two sides be different colors?
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 27, 2014 8:11:34 GMT -6
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 27, 2014 8:22:18 GMT -6
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Mar 27, 2014 8:49:15 GMT -6
... fine then.... currently I think it needs an emblem along the centre devsion, hence why I am asking if there is any charges that represent science? A star maybe? Failing that, a sword? keeping the pulmonary design also. Could the two sides be different colors? I will need you to narrow down some choices for me. What colors do you want? Let's start there.
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 27, 2014 9:18:29 GMT -6
... fine then.... currently I think it needs an emblem along the centre devsion, hence why I am asking if there is any charges that represent science? A star maybe? Failing that, a sword? keeping the pulmonary design also. Could the two sides be different colors? I will need you to narrow down some choices for me. What colors do you want? Let's start there. I was thinking black squares on white on the left, the dividing charge (whatever it comes to) in yellow and the right in yellow balls on red maybe? Needs some blue in there too... Can't think where it would be best
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