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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jun 12, 2014 11:55:05 GMT -6
Thank you S:reu Davinescu, for raising this concern, which I also had.
I am in agreement with S:reu Siervicül, however, I would even go further to state that the Head of the University, the RTB and the College of Arms should be excluded from the prohibition of becoming Commissioner.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 12, 2014 11:55:15 GMT -6
I would agree with the legal interpretations of both Sir Cresti and Alexandreu. The law seems clear that a subordinate in the Royal Household isn't an "officer" in the sense intended.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 12, 2014 11:59:40 GMT -6
Thank you S:reu Davinescu, for raising this concern, which I also had. I am in agreement with S:reu Siervicül, however, I would even go further to state that the Head of the University, the RTB and the College of Arms should be excluded from the prohibition of becoming Commissioner. What brought you to this conclusion? The Squirrel King or Arms (or as we currently have the Regent), the Chancellor of the RTB, and the Chancellor of the University, are by definition the head or officers of the Royal Household. I would not exclude these from the provisions of the law.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 12, 2014 12:00:17 GMT -6
I do not think that the heads of any of the officers of the Household, who are clearly defined as Officers of the Royal Household - and this includes the College of Arms, etc. - could legally hold a secretariat. And if we're applying that same standard, as we had already agreed, then the heads of even those relatively aloof organizations can't be Commissioner.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jun 12, 2014 12:05:37 GMT -6
Thank you S:reu Davinescu, for raising this concern, which I also had. I am in agreement with S:reu Siervicül, however, I would even go further to state that the Head of the University, the RTB and the College of Arms should be excluded from the prohibition of becoming Commissioner. What brought you to this conclusion? The Squirrel King or Arms (or as we currently have the Regent), the Chancellor of the RTB, and the Chancellor of the University, are by definition the head or officers of the Royal Household. I would not exclude these from the provisions of the law. Not from the provision of the law, but from our provision of applying the same standard to the Commissioners. It was just a proposal - since these offices are pretty much detached from almost anything political or organisatory.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 12, 2014 12:17:16 GMT -6
I think, however, that even if we wanted to exclude those individual segments of the Royal Household, El Lex. is quite clear as to what constitutes an Officer of the Royal Household and lists specifically these offices: Secretary of State, Scribe of Abbavilla, Royal Archivist, Burgermeister of Inland Revenue, Squirrel King (or Queen) of Arms, Chancellor of the Royal Talossan Bar, Commissioner of the Civil Service (which incidentally might create a problem with us applying these standards to the Commissioner as he or she is by definition an Officer of the Royal Household) and The Poet Laureate.
I am not comfortable with us as a committee changing or choosing to ignore provisions of the laws our own body is charged with creating.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jun 12, 2014 13:34:29 GMT -6
You confuse one thing:
The law does not require the Commissioner of Civil Service to not be an Officer of the Royal Household - we, as a committee, have deemed it sensible that it be such a requirement. But I, for one, have now seen that the Head of the RTB, the Uni or the CoA are barred from that, which is not much of a sensibility, to me. And as we, as a committee, have created the policy regarding the Commissioner, we can, too, decide to include exceptions to that requirement, or make it less strict.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 12, 2014 14:01:39 GMT -6
That seems a little inconsistent. The exact restrictions on secretaries will also apply to the Commissioner, except for the few exceptions we have picked out? I'm more comfortable just throwing out all restrictions than with picking and choosing.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 12, 2014 15:21:04 GMT -6
You confuse one thing: The law does not require the Commissioner of Civil Service to not be an Officer of the Royal Household - we, as a committee, have deemed it sensible that it be such a requirement. This got me thinking and I looked back. We never voted to make the Commissioner of Civil Service appointment hold up to the same requirements as the Secretaries. It was mentioned by Alexandreu to be a good idea to which you agreed, but it was never a resolution achieved by voting. Unless I am misreading something somewhere, if we as a committee want to hold this standard, we should probably vote on it. However, it may be inconsistent with the law and not stand up to legal challenge if we act unilaterally like this.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 10, 2014 12:03:58 GMT -6
Esteemed members,
I summon the committee back into session, for the application period is over since 4 days, and I raise following question:
Should every application be posted openly, or should the members get private messages on this board, so that the privacy of the applicants remains intact?
I strongly suggest we do the latter.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 10, 2014 12:59:52 GMT -6
There's not even any doubt... keep it private.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 10, 2014 13:15:51 GMT -6
The applications should be private.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Aug 11, 2014 17:13:52 GMT -6
Here is GV, taking up my ZRT seat on this committee with apologies to all for my tardiness. Allow me a week or so to catch up with what-all's been happening.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 13, 2014 19:43:01 GMT -6
To clarify: this committee is dissolved because the Cosa was dissolved. We will have to start over again next term.
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