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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on May 3, 2014 0:37:30 GMT -6
I am a representative of the people who voted for my party, and as Başbakan the whole province. However I do realise with this, I need to include everyone in the province and is something the majority of the province needs to be happy with, and that is why it needs to be a long process to come up with a proposal which the majority of the province would be happy with.
And I find it interesting that although I have suggested that you come up with something you would be happy with, you avoid that point, I am trying to include you with this, and you are not being responsive. I know due to other circumstances outside of Talossa I've not been able to work on this, or add more input, which has created a view of myself that I'm not being transparent or inclusive in the project, according to yourself, if I understand correctly, therefore I have not had great responses, and yes I have made mistakes with this, however I am only human, and I can only do so much, which is why until mid June this is on the backburner so I can get my life in order before I can further pursue this so it can better reflect the province, and you have been far from understanding of this.
I have been trying my best to respond to your concerns etc, and due to circumstances haven't been great, but doesn't mean I do not appreciate your views or concerns but I have had other things which have been taking precedence. and there is no real rush on this taking place, so it may as well be done correctly, with due care taken whilst writing it. Which is a point you have been criticizing me for, when I'm doing this in the best interests of the province. As with due care and attention I can take the time to properly review concerns and add them to the constitution to try and make something the majority of us might be happy to have as out new constitution. So if you believe that is being irresponsible, or not being transparent then so be it, however I honestly do not believe I am, as I am making every possible opportunity to be transparent, and inclusive, whilst explaining myself, which has not been well received by yourself.
I am willing for you and the rest of the province with myself on this, as it affects us all, and it is to represent the will of the majority, but I would prefer it if assumptions of myself were made just on face value ideas, without inquiring why I am doing things as I am. Instead of just judging myself based on a false representation of myself. As I have unfortunately been seen to be portraying here. Which I apologise for. However I am doing my best here. And if you cannot see that, then it is your problem, not mine. But it doesn't mean I wont incorporate your current and future ideas into the proposal, so long as I would be happy with them, unless more people want the change than not, then I will change it to reflect the majority. I realise this is not a bill in the hopper where if you don't agree with a change you don't have to add it even of the majority of comments reflect that, this is something which needs the input of all the people and reflects the peoples will, and the Governments view to pass, and I will do my best to make sure it is reflected in the final draft of this proposal, but it will take time.
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on May 3, 2014 10:47:23 GMT -6
If you put the amount of work into your role as representative as you do in defending your lack of action, we'd have no quarrel. I've avoided no "point" of yours. You've failed to make any revisions to your original draft in response to my suggestions and queries, and failed to explain what those changes are. My draft, if I made one, would be short and clear, with a length and complexity suitable for an average person to read seeing as it is your expectation that your constituents read everything in its entirety. Rather than write such a document, I pointed to you an example of a constitution that an average person can be realistically expected to fully read and understand. As I anticipated, you shot that idea at first sight. This is what you do, Evan. This is what Brad does. You do what you think is best and resist all attempts to listen, cooperate, change, adapt, or accept opinion that differs from your set idea of how things should be. You're not a representative. By definition, a representative represents the wishes of their people. You're certainly not a cruel man, or an evil one, but you're deluded. You honestly think you're doing good here. You write documents you never change. You solicit feedback you don't act on. You run for an election knowing full well that your personal life is too busy, then declare a recess. Maybe the reason that there's such a lack of involvement in this province is that most people have just given up on people like you and Brad. It's certainly much easier to just give up than to have these pointless circular arguments. I am ashamed of the political machine in charge of Atatürk: No, I do not post threads or emails soliciting input during Clark votes. And I have yet to receive any input on business before the Ziu. So far, I have not had any complaints, so I continue to operate under the assumption that I've been adequately representing the people of Atatürk. And I have absolutely no plans for the next term. I intend only on showing up, participating, and enjoying currency. I have no idea what more can be done. As for what I would like to see across Talossa: less drama. But that is more of a personality issue than a legislative one. I'd always like to see more activity in Atatürk. But the Senator is not the focal point of provincial activity. This paragraph one of the most embarrassing things I have ever read. "I have no idea what more can be done," says S:reu Holmes. "Quit," I reply. Same goes for everyone that thinks or acts like he does.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on May 3, 2014 11:29:49 GMT -6
If you think this is unrealistic for someone to read, then I strongly disagree with you, and it would also apply to Organic Law, and Statutory Law, As they are huge documents, Especially now stat law has been combined. I do not believe such a document IN TALOSSA is in any way, shape or form unreasonable, especially as we are an online country, therefore REQUIRES a lot of reading, and do you think the people who written the American or the unwritten British constitution taken into account what they thought was reasonable for people to read? No, they cared about writing a document or a set of laws, that reflect the will of the people, and sets down how practices are to be operated etc, Same as organic law. what I will do is bullet point the clauses to make the main points to the people, once a final draft is complete, but I do not believe the constitution should be, or even could be a short document. as it sets out the necessary codes and practices for operating the province, whilst serving as the highest provincial law, only superseded by Organic, and Statutory law.
And in regards to listening or adapting, I cannot accept your point as I am willing to change and adapt, once my exams are finished I shall revise this, and post an updated version. I have been unavoidably slow on this, and if you must know I have been ill a lot since posting this, and actually feeling fairly depressed since I posted this, so that's why I've been unable to respond or make changes, not for any other reason, ive been trying my best, but obviously that isn't good enough.
And I ran for Başbakan as I felt I was the best man in the government to do so, and out of all the options, myself, someone who didn't really want the job, Brad, and the now SoS, I am the best and most active in this province to serve at the Head of Government in Ataturk compared to the rest. Also, besides from yourself who else do you see speaking up who is a citizen of Atatürk? No one, you are still only one person as well, so in no way different from myself as representative, And you cannot say that I am not a representative of the people without providing evidence, because the evidence would suggest I am. I know I need to work on the constitution at some point and I will when my exams are done.
Also I am not deluded, as yes I believe I am doing good, by presenting this proposal, I know not being able to working on this isn't exactly a good thing, but at least I am trying to make a difference, which is a good thing. I just feel that you are actually being unreasonable here, yes I understand you want your opinions taken into account, and they will be reflected in my next draft, and just because I haven't changed this yet, I will change it. Also even if I was working on this and it was ready to put to the Commons for a vote by now, you know how difficult it would be to make sure all the members of the commons to vote on anything? I've tried before and it is really difficult. As this province moves at a snails pace. And compared to most, I move much faster in politics in Atatürk than the rest. And without my efforts we wouldn't even have a government now. So although in this I have been lacking, but I have worked hard to try and get this province going. And I don't appreciate being told that im basically a bad politician who doesn't really care about the people or the needs of the province, and that im deluded. I just feel its a waste of time addressing these issues (not on specific points of the constitution though) so this will be my last response to your attacks on my credibility, as they are undeserved. And I would ask that you stop, as you are being arrogant and narrow minded in your expectations, and if I didn't put up a second draft by the end of june then I would understand and accept your criticisms, but not when ive told you and explained what is going on in my life at the moment, which is preventing myself from this.
If the roles were reverse I would be more understanding of someone in a similar position, so you are being unreasonable I feel.
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on May 3, 2014 12:17:49 GMT -6
Questions of your credibility are unwarranted?
If you're really so busy -- too busy to do the government business you were elected to do -- how do you find the time to write these long, ponderous explanations? Your assertion that you are busy and your time on Witt are clearly at odds. You're expending tremendous time and effort into protecting your credibility, and in the process you are undermining it.
You should be using the time to work on your bill or study for your exams, but you are spending it here trying to explain how busy you are, making excuses about being busy, or apologizing about being busy.
Speaking of apologies -- your apologies are worthless.
Much in the way that an excess of currency in circulation makes the value of a dollar worth less, the sheer volume of apologies from you in circulation has driven their value down to nothing. And not just here. How many late and cancelled sermons have you apologized for this year? Why is it also competing for your limited time over your other commitments here or at home?
Stop apologizing. Stop making excuses. Get to work: either at home, or right here on government business.
And as to your contention that you would be more easygoing were our roles reversed: Should I ever run for a position that I cannot possibly serve in due to exams I knew about well before the election, as you've done, I hope you'll tell me I was foolish for doing so. Evan: it was foolish.
Should I ever be elected to a position that I cannot possibly serve in due to my personal commitments, as you've done, I hope you'll speak up about it and ask me to resign, as I am doing right now. Evan: resign.
There's no serious loss. Given that you're not representing the one person who is here and there's basically no-one else to represent, why do we need you sitting in a useless government chair?
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on May 3, 2014 15:14:20 GMT -6
Excuse me, but firstly you saw what happened the last time I resigned, the province was left leaderless, and unable to operate, and in all fairness according to the constitution as it currently stands the commons only meets on an as needed basis, and in terms to responding to your posts, I do so out of respect for you as a citizen of the province I lead, and although I may not have done what you have expected, I still have a better track record in this province than most members before me, and at least we have a fully established government now.
/and yes I knew about my exams before had, however I honestly did not think, given the history of inactivity within the government, and constant lack of work being done, that it would hurt the province so much, because, besides from myself, who other Commons members do you see even remotely trying to make a difference. Which you seem to ignore.
and in terms of resigning, no I will not, because if I step down, no one in the province will assume the mantle of Başbakan.
And I ask you (as I think I have at least once before) for your help on this, if you feel there is failing, and I ask you, if I were to ask you for help, what help and input would you offer to this proposed constitution? And im not saying I will address these right away, but I will as soon as my last exam is done.
And you believe I am undermining my credibility? I don't see how, responding to these concerns take up less time than PROPERLY looking over this thread, and seeing your concerns and adapting the proposal to suite. And I put to you, would you rather a half botched job, which is poorly done, or one take with the due care and attention, and done properly? Personally I believe the latter is better. which is why im putting it of. These post im doing don't take long to write, but to review and incorporate changes in my current proposal would take me at least a week to do properly I feel. So I don't feel that the assertion of replying to you is a waste of time. 7
I am in fact, performing all my constitutional duties as far as I am aware. Just because you don't feel I am moving fast enough on a proposal you have an interest in, doesn't mean I am not fulfilling my obligations. If I had put this to the vote before taking on any concerns or review it at all, then I would see your assertions as justified, but according to the constitution, I am performing my duties. And more.
And in regards to the sermons, that is a different matter to this for many reasons. which are not relevant here, and is not something I will discuss Atatürk.
Also, if it makes you feel better, if you find yourself unwilling or unable to help to make changes to this, or to come up with a list of clear proposals for a constitution, I hereby officially suspend this proposal until such a time I am able to listen and take on board the concerns of others, and it shall be resumed upon myself posting a revised draft in this thread, with the concerns of the province, which shall be done no later that the 30th June 2014.
So I have suspended the proposal, and asked for your help in this, before I come up and redraft this. Also, in my previous post I have said about presidents for a long constitution, and why I feel it is necessary and that I will sum it up in bullet points for the voters, and constituents who cannot, or do not wish to reach what you call, a long document. I feel given the circumstances, also showing you why I ran for position and asked who out of those in the provincial government, would do a better job than myself as Başbakan? (although constitutionally this proposal and my duties are separate) and your rudeness, I am being more than fair and reasonable with yourself. And if you do not feel I am, then so be it. but I am trying to address your concerns. And in this, I believe I have, and if that is not good enough, then there is nothing else we have to say to each other until I propose a new draft.
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on May 3, 2014 15:42:54 GMT -6
What you call rudeness I would characterize as successive approximation towards frankness. I have given my message many times in a number of different voices over some time now. There comes a point where one must be absolutely direct for lack of success using other approaches. We're there.
I do not expect us to speak further on these matters until June.
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