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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 14:10:29 GMT -6
This is e)
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Aug 20, 2014 14:20:13 GMT -6
#2 of 4. I'm trying to imagine how clear the arms will be at 100 or 150 px wide. The original was arguably a bit muddy at lower resolution.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Aug 20, 2014 14:20:37 GMT -6
It has to be Metal on Colour, or Colour on Metal. Metals: Gold/Yellow (Or) , Silver/White (Argent). Colour: Blue (Argent), Red (Gules), Black (Sable), Green (Vert) So, your Anvil has to be on a background of Or or Argent. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_tincture
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 14:27:47 GMT -6
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize black was a color!!!
Sorry...
Let me try gold.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 14:29:48 GMT -6
This is f) But don't mixing colors like this add a point of complexity or it's something else altogher?
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 14:31:39 GMT -6
And this is G: (the different is the white in the middle)
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Aug 20, 2014 14:50:36 GMT -6
You last one (G) has 5 tinctures- Blue, Yellow, Silver, White, and Proper ( the Beaver) ; 3 Charges ( Anvil, the F, and Beaver); and a Division ( the sine wavy (line)
That's a complexity of 9.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 20, 2014 15:05:59 GMT -6
In heraldry there is no distinction between silver and white, they are both blazoned "argent". So your blazon (the description of your arms in words) will say "argent" and the emblazon (the graphical depiction of your arms) may use either white or silver to represent argent, but there's no way describe having both silver AND white in the same emblazon.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 15:15:11 GMT -6
You last one (G) has 5 tinctures- Blue, Yellow, Silver, White, and Proper ( the Beaver) ; 3 Charges ( Anvil, the F, and Beaver); and a Division ( the sine wavy (line) That's a complexity of 9. So the one with the black lines would have a complexity of 9? I just learned that you can't have white and silver on the same blazon...
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Aug 20, 2014 15:25:16 GMT -6
In heraldry there is no distinction between silver and white, they are both blazoned "argent". So your blazon (the description of your arms in words) will say "argent" and the emblazon (the graphical depiction of your arms) may use either white or silver to represent argent, but there's no way describe having both silver AND white in the same emblazon. Oops. You last one (G) has 4 tinctures- Azure, Or, Argent, and Proper ( the Beaver) ; 3 Charges ( Anvil, the F, and Beaver); and a Division ( the sine wavy (line)). That's a complexity of 8.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 15:55:32 GMT -6
In heraldry there is no distinction between silver and white, they are both blazoned "argent". So your blazon (the description of your arms in words) will say "argent" and the emblazon (the graphical depiction of your arms) may use either white or silver to represent argent, but there's no way describe having both silver AND white in the same emblazon. Oops. You last one (G) has 4 tinctures- Azure, Or, Argent, and Proper ( the Beaver) ; 3 Charges ( Anvil, the F, and Beaver); and a Division ( the sine wavy (line)). That's a complexity of 8. Yes, but then, I can't have Silver and white adjacent, no? If Silver and white are both "Argent", then they have to be different colors, or am I getting this wrong?
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 15:57:40 GMT -6
What about F? Is it 8 or 9?
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 20, 2014 16:51:03 GMT -6
Yes, but then, I can't have Silver and white adjacent, no? If Silver and white are both "Argent", then they have to be different colors, or am I getting this wrong? You just can't have silver and white in the same design. You can choose to have either silver or white as the graphical interpretation of "argent" in your arms, but not both. The formal grant would be verbal and would just say "argent", and it would be up to the heraldic artist to portray "argent" as either silver or white. With G, the white stripe in the middle would cease to exist, but you could still have a shield divided into a silver top half and a blue bottom half with a wavy line of separation between the two colours (just not a distinct wavy stripe of a different shade). The complexity would be 8, as Sir Mick calculates. If you want a distinct wavy stripe in the middle (what we would call a barrulet wavy or closet wavy, depending on the width of the stripe), then either: 1) The stripe could be of a colour (blue, green, red or black) and the shield would be of a metal (white/silver or yellow/gold, or one half of each), or 2) The stripe could be of a metal (white/silver or yellow/gold) and the shield would be of a colour (blue, green, red, or black, or half each of two of these). If the stripe is of a colour, the charges (beaver and anvil) should also be of a colour (which for the beaver would include "proper", or brown). If the stripe is of a metal, then the beaver and anvil should also be of a metal (either white/silver or yellow/gold). F is impermissible because the stripe is of a colour but borders a colour on the bottom side. It would, however, have a complexity of 9.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 17:47:41 GMT -6
I think I am beginning to get it... These two examples should be permissible: h) and i) Because: 1 ) No color touches another color, and no metal touches another metal. In both cases, I have Brown + Silver + Gold + 1 other color (black or blue) + 4 symbols, so a complexity of 8. As for J (below), it would also be possible (but ugly: the silver on blue doesn't look good at all..
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 20, 2014 17:48:47 GMT -6
What are the meanings of Blue vs the meaning of Black?
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