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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jul 20, 2013 20:49:54 GMT -6
Oh and by the way I did amend What's the Difference in response to the findings of the magistrates court. The Cort's opinion called upon the Ziu to act, not the Seneschal. And I believe a bill was hoppered which would have clarified the offending legislation. mag
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 20:55:17 GMT -6
Mick, it would just be easier, if you agree with the said proposal to speak with Carlus about the Bill he is writting up(the one Miestra mentioned). And yes you may think that the ZRT do not want to resolve this. But they do. Also Mick, it is difficult to get a peice of legislation on this that will pass the consensus of the majority, its all good and well to talk but if anyone trys to act on changing anthing major, from my observation, the RUMP party in generall seems to oppose of any major changes. So it is difficult to know what or might not actually pass the Ziu, and just because the Opposition doesnt propose things all the time, maybe you might think that just because we are not doing much at one specific time, doesnt meab we've given up on our platform. But perhaps the Opposition is being strategic as to not waste time if something is introduced too early Also i as you do you know all the laws off by heart? With the specifics? If not its unfair to expect people to fully remember everything in Org and Statutary law. I proved yesterday that i have read the Laws of the land. However if i make a point baced on what i remeber of something ive read but did not have the time to fully check before hand, and i was mistaken, does that make me ignorant if the law? Just because one makes mistakes it does not make them ignorant. As you have said on a few occasions. I respect you as a person and i think some of the stuff you say can be usefull. But i strongly object with your constant attacks on others, i know you think your trying to help etc, however it does come off rude sometimes and steriotypical aswell. Please dont take this the wrong way, im not having a go. But i am saying perhaps you could be a bit kinder to others and show a little more respect. Or if you feel you cant be respectfull or constructive then id ask you dont say anthing incase that worsens the situation. Im not saying i condone anyone being rude to yourself either and i ask the same to others. I may not have always been calm in saying some of what i say, but i never have the intention of belittling someone, although sometimes i may say a comment which seems like that. I dont mean anything i say to offend anyone, i always try to be polite and respectfull. (Athough i do appologise for the spelling the app you mentioned was only a free trial and hasnt worked besides for about 10 minutes) So can i please ask yourself and others just to be Civil to one another please? And just accept that you cannot agree on everything? In case it wasn't clear, I have already talked to Carlus about this subject.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 20, 2013 21:00:43 GMT -6
You kinda wasnt. And im sorry for the rant......
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 21:28:46 GMT -6
" Also i as you do you know all the laws off by heart? With the specifics?" I was SoS for over 3 years. I reviewed the Laws every time a Bill was submitted. It was my job. Did I memorize them? No. Was I very, very familiar with them? Yes. My expectations then (and still are) that people take the time to do due diligence. When submitting Bills, or when discussing the Laws of the Kingdom. If they neglect that, or don't even bother - then yes, I consider them ignorant of the Laws. You would expect no less from me, right? I respect the OrgLaw. It is flawed, but I still respect it. Same goes with Statutory Law. But as a former SoS, a Senator, and an Officer of the Cort, I have to know the laws. If not, I take the time to explore what is written. Buy knowing what the Laws are, make me a better Senator ( and MC, before that), and Officer of the Cort. Before that, I HAD to explore the Laws , as I noted above. Yes, I am a perfectionist when it comes to the Law. And yes, ( for better or worse) I expect every other Member of the Ziu to be the same. I hold every member of the Ziu to the highest of expectations. To do less would ( to me) dishonor the Ziu and the Kingdom. ( I understand about the typing - honest. My comments about the spelling were more meant to reflect that we lose the impact of your statements, because we have to decipher what you were saying. As for Swiftkey- did you try this link: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey.phone.trialThat is supposed to be free, but does have adverts on it. If it has changed, I apologize)
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 21:29:58 GMT -6
You kinda wasnt. And im sorry for the rant...... Not a problem, my friend. I try to be subtle about what I talk about to others in PM's. Oh, and no apologies for the Rant. Heck, that's part about being a Talossan!
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 20, 2013 21:44:59 GMT -6
If a person has not read the laws at all then i would agree that they are ignorant, and i understand your concerns howver theyre are better way to address it sometimes. Your approach can seem a bit harsh at times. Instead of pointing out the flaws if the person, just kindly point them in the direction if the specific law under discussion and just accept that not everyone is able to know the law as well as you or others in the land. But i wasnt talking about ones who had not read it but those who can just remember the gist but not the specifics (not in writting bills, bit in discussion only) whilst its clear they have read the law but may not have had the time to re-read said law before partaking in dicussion. Would you call said person ignorant? You can't hold everyone to your exacting standard 100% of the time. We are all human and all make mistakes. But to help others along we myst show compassion and kindness not to be rude and carry a persona of being better than everyone else. Im not saying this to be rude etc. Byt sometkmes thats how you come accross to people. Again im trying to help you in a way here so you might jelp others in a more constructive manner which people may relate to more instead of being in argument alot. And i think thats what i installed. But it says in the android market the free editions are only a 30 day trial.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 20, 2013 21:48:10 GMT -6
Ahh fair enough. And true. And in all honesty in regards to Ziu members, they should take a little more time to reseaech before, however, not everyone has the time. So i think you need to be a little more leinient to others in their mistakes.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 22:04:14 GMT -6
Ahh fair enough. And true. And in all honesty in regards to Ziu members, they should take a little more time to reseaech before, however, not everyone has the time. So i think you need to be a little more leinient to others in their mistakes. But, after 3+ years of going through their Bills in the Hopper with the proverbial "Fine toothed comb" - why should I lower my standards now? There is no rush to write and a present a Bill - if it doesn't get Clarked this month, it can be done next month. Why not take the time and effort to create a Bill that is void of mistakes?
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 20, 2013 22:14:36 GMT -6
I already agreed with you on the writing up of Bills, they have to be gone over properly in order to ensure legal standing. Im on about those who just are in discussion about bills, or anything legal in general.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 22:15:45 GMT -6
With that said - I often comment to first time writers in PM's errors that were made, and corrections to Bills that need be done.
But what I have found in the last year is people are making grandiose statements about what should be, when it already is in the Law. Or, they write Bills, over and over again, that either contradict the current Laws, are already a Law, or are already addressed in OrgLaw. Even when mentioned, they ignore the information.
It's these Bulls that rush into the Legal China Store, that aggravate me. If they bothered to take the time after the first time they have been brought to task, then there wouldn't be this concern.
But those that constantly disregard the existing laws, and then make false claims and wrongful statements that gather my ire, and I comment about them is less than pleasant terms.
( My bad about Swiftkey - they have changed the requirements since I went from "Free" to "Paid".)
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 22:16:29 GMT -6
I already agreed with you on the writing up of Bills, they have to be gone over properly in order to ensure legal standing. Im on about those who just are in discussion about bills, or anything legal in general. Mea Culpa. I think there is a time delay between our posts.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 20, 2013 22:25:22 GMT -6
Yeah. It looks like it. And i can see how it can annoy you, however i dont belive that unpleasentness will want people to work with you in the future. Also itll just create more and more tention, and there has already been too much unpleasentness here of late. If everyone was more civil, and lisened more, then perhaps more would get done. But tgeyre will still political diffrences, but talking about them shouldnt bring as much tention as it does now.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 20, 2013 22:40:29 GMT -6
Yeah. It looks like it. And i can see how it can annoy you, however i dont belive that unpleasentness will want people to work with you in the future. Also itll just create more and more tention, and there has already been too much unpleasentness here of late. If everyone was more civil, and lisened more, then perhaps more would get done. But tgeyre will still political diffrences, but talking about them shouldnt bring as much tention as it does now. I would suggest that your comments could be applied to others in our Kingdom, also ...
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 21, 2013 5:21:59 GMT -6
And if you reffer back to an earlier post i said something like that. I hope others also take wisdom from it
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Aug 23, 2013 17:12:11 GMT -6
May I humbly ask when and where the WTD-Act has been tried before the Magistrate's Court? Have changes or a serious attempt thereunto been made? If not, has the aforementioned Cort found the Ziu guilty of Contempt of the Court?
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