ZRT Campaign Underway

[Istefan Perþonest]

May 22, 2012 22:18:53 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

You can't prove it was there! So it must have been never there!

Excuse me, but no. I know they were never there, but I couldn't actually prove they weren't ever there, because I couldn't find an old enough copy of the OrgLaw.

I have subsequently, however, found proof. I found 23RZ32, which states, "WHEREAS there are no provisions for by-elections in the 1997 Organic Law". Since the OrgLaw was adopted in the general elections immediately prior to session 23, so there was no general election referendum prior to passage of 23RZ32 where by-elections could have been removed, this establishes that the 1997 Organic Law never had any provision for by-elections.

May 22, 2012 22:36:53 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

But I only ever read about them in Ár Päts, so maybe they never even made it to the 1997 OrgLaw.

Yes, 17RC17 created by-elections under the 1988 Constituziun. These were, as we can see above, never included in the 1997 OrgLaw.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Well, anyway, perhaps we should bring by-elections back.

[Vitxalmour Conductour]

How would C. Carlüs Xheráltsëfighleu and Miestrâ Schivâ reconcile their acceptance of Sir X. Pol Briga's offer of Cosâ seats with their assumed belief that there should be "a requirement for a party's Cosâ seats to be filled by pre-named candidates."

Why did the ZRT find it necessary or appropriate to add that the RUMP's "personalities grow stale."? This is neither appropriate nor relevant. It's not very polite either. The rest of that quoted statement is politically appropriate and relevant, though of arguable veracity.

May 22, 2012 22:36:53 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Wow, I knew that the Kingdom had replaced the need to know history, but... anyway, in days of old when kings were bold, seats which went vacant in the Cosâ were filled by a by-election, which was just like a general election but only for those seats. This was a punishment for the vacating party, as if a party which had 30% support lost 20 seats, it could probably hope to only win 6 of those back in the by-election. But I only ever read about them in Ár Päts, so maybe they never even made it to the 1997 OrgLaw.

It seems a little silly to imply that your questioner is ignorant of history, give a little history lesson that is tangentially related to the question, and then to admit that the questioner may in fact be correct all in the same paragraph.

May 22, 2012 22:36:53 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

...apart from Lord Hooligan the RUMP really seem to be personally annoyed at political opposition. I suppose you're just not used to it.

I could make some broad and inaccurate generalizations about the ZRT based on a few isolated moments as well, but instead I will respond to the core of your message and assure you that there are some that welcome and crave opposition. Without opposition, even the most benevolent become little more than dictators. A lack of oppositions breeds complacency and apathy. Opposition breeds competition, fresh ideas, and can act as a pretty good metric for success (or a lack thereof.) This is of course assuming that opposition remains ideological and not just a petty turf war. (I'm not saying the ZRT/RUMP opposition has devolved to that, I'm just that sometimes that is what happens, I know it has where I live. Probably why I took offense to the stale personalities line.)

I'm also curious what "political influence of the...nobility" you wish to reduce? It is my understanding that the only political influence any of the nobility have is entirely contingent on their being active and involved political people, and derives nothing from any titles they may or may not have. As such, any reductions would be rather contrary to the idea that "all citizens should be equal before the law."

Beyond that I'm pleased to have opponents I can respect and occasionally agree with and I look forward to the exciting times ahead.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

" GAAAH! Don't shout, I'm deaf in one eyeball now. Seriously, apart from Lord Hooligan the RUMP really seem to be personally annoyed at political opposition. I suppose you're just not used to it."

On the contrary, I am quite used to it. Every GE that comes around, some fly by night party appears, tells the world how evil the RUMP is, how corrupt it is, how things MUST be changed, and that the RUMP kicks puppies and eats babies.

The RUMP operates in the glare of public scrutiny. We openly ask "who wants a MC seat?" . Everyone who wants a seat, gets one. If someone leaves or decides they don't want to be an MC, we openly ask again. It's not an oligarchy. The person that registers the Party does NOT get to "name who they like to the Cosâ between elections". It's done by consensus, not by 1 person.

Please, take the time to actually find out how the RUMP works, before you take your broad brush of condemnation and paint the RUMP as an Evil Empire.

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

Vote the Goat!

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[Hooligan]

Dammit! I knew the RUMP should have gotten out in front on the kitten issue! Now it's been co-opted!

Hool

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

Goats lead the way!

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[Hooligan]

Vitxalmour! Now they're taking the whole leprechaun issue too!

Hool

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

That's not a leprechaun! Thats the Talossan version of Uncle Sam's Stars/Stripes Tophat!

[Hooligan]

May 23, 2012 9:38:12 GMT -6 Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu said:

That's not a leprechaun! Thats the Talossan version of Uncle Sam's Stars/Stripes Tophat!

Ah, of course! Whew. The RUMP still has the upper-hand on the leprechaun issue. :-)

Hool

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

But not the gnomes!

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[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

A shot from the ZRT National Convention!

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[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Wait a minute, that's not me in that photo. I'd never wear a pink dress.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

How would C. Carlüs Xheráltsëfighleu and Miestrâ Schivâ reconcile their acceptance of Sir X. Pol Briga's offer of Cosâ seats with their assumed belief that there should be "a requirement for a party's Cosâ seats to be filled by pre-named candidates."

I'm sure you'd agree that reunision has made the political landscape of Talossa somewhat exceptional at the moment. The kindness of granting us a single seat each is a product of these exceptional circumstances which has at least given us the opportunity to adapt to the political system of the re-united Talossa - a political system which, until now, we were unfamiliar with. I don't think we could legitimately claim that a vote for the ZRT would result in a competent government until we have had some prior experience in the Cosa. Of course, now we have S:reu Ursum, an experienced legislator, and at least some experience in political activism within this system. Thus, it's with some satisfaction that I can now claim the ZRT will govern competently should we be invited to form a government.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Carlüs gets it right. The Reunision is a special "once-in-a-lifetime" exception, as it was with the creation of Fiôvâ, not a template for future action (unless we go all Borg and assimilate other Talossa-like entities...)