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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2005 13:57:59 GMT -6
As Secretary of the Black Hand I am pleased to announce that the following citizens are members in good standing of the party:
Márcüs Cantaloûr Wes Erni Joe Clark
There is very strong evidence, coming from the leader of the party, to suggest that the CLP maintains secret membership lists. Will the CLP come clean with the names and the number of members that they have? What is there to hide?
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Post by kri on Aug 13, 2005 14:21:33 GMT -6
Isn't Amy a member? I don't actually recall!
Ben
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King John
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Post by King John on Aug 13, 2005 14:26:01 GMT -6
[T]he CLP maintains secret membership lists. Will the CLP come clean with the names and the number of members that they have? Nah, we're trying to lull y'all into a false sense of security; then come election time, wham! — John Woolley, fascist authoritarian wacked-out yadda yadda yadda, and now ... a traitor! ("The CLP is the traitor's party." &mdash KRI the Completely Non-Partisan)
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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2005 14:29:25 GMT -6
Amy does have a seat in the Senate under the MN banner, however she is not an official party member. We would be pleased to welcome her as a member, unless she is one of the SECRET members of the CLP. Of course I do not really have concerns about Amy, but just who are the members of the CLP? It has been admitted to me by the leader of the CLP that the size (therefore the membership) of the party is confidential. I just cannot imagine a party in Talossa being so secretive. This just seems so odd, not just odd but scary. Parties in Talossa have always been open about their membership, I wonder what the CLP is hiding.
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Post by kri on Aug 13, 2005 14:47:45 GMT -6
I find it amazing that a party that is so determined to hunt down "conflicts of interest" has no concern whatsoever about how a secret society dedicated to working with the quitters might rub some people the wrong way. Talk about conflicts of interest.
If only I were secretly the King, I could hold all kinds of offices!
Ben
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Post by Baron Fritz on Aug 13, 2005 15:02:44 GMT -6
Why is the MN and the King so concerned about who belongs to the CLP? You both have said the size of a political party does not matter. And what "secret society"? I hereby announce that any member of the CLP that wishes to announce their membership may do so. I will tell you that I am a member. Anyone else must speak for themselves. I think what we really have here is an attempt by the MN-King to learn the size of the opposition. Nice try, but no cigar.
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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2005 15:05:53 GMT -6
It is the practice in Talossa not to maintain secret membership lists. This certainly will not help the CLP earn the trust of Talossan voters!
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Post by kri on Aug 13, 2005 15:16:40 GMT -6
>Why is the MN and the King so concerned about who belongs to the CLP? Because, for starters, in the entire twenty-five-plus year history of Talossa, no party has ever been run like a secret cult. Every party has had open membership records. Second, now that the cat is out of the bag that the CLP has a "policy" of deliberately going out to recruit non-citizens not particularly to join Talossa but to join the CLP through Talossa, it is important to see how many of these totally inactive individuals, who have not said or done a single thing for or with Talossa since they became citizens, are enrolled as members of the CLP. You yourself told me that some in the CLP have referred to this policy as "getting our own pocket votes." Now, that is not the term you used to describe it, you were simply quoting other CLP members. But since John Woolley spilled the beans and admitted that this was indeed CLP party policy, it raises a whole host of issues. Our citizenship laws were designed to prevent evasions of this sort. For instance, each person must fill out the Civics Test. Rest assured, those tests will be available soon. Also, 1/3 of the Cosâ can sign a petition to have the citizenship of any immigrant put up for a vote in the Cosâ. I hope it doesn't come to that, but the MN can certainly force the issue if the Prime Minister wants to. Frankly, your "policy" of recruiting pocket votes raises the whole issue of what their commitment to Talossa is in the first place. I am not going to name names, but I have spoken with one individual, probably listed on the CLP membership list, who told me flat out that he really had no idea what Talossa was and that he had just joined as a favour to you. Frankly, I have no idea if he even wrote his own immigration materials. I was inviting him to TalossaFest and he told me he was uncomfortable with the invitation because he didn't know what Talossa was all about. He even asked me to explain it! I have "sat" on this information for two months, not mentioning it in public, because I did not want to undermine your position as Immigration Minister. But now that it has been announced that your party has a "policy" of recruiting non-citizens to support it, it is best for all the facts to come out. Can you imagine the scandal if the Republicans offered citizenship to illegal aliens, in exchange for a promise that they would support the Republican Party? No party in the entire history of Talossa has ever done anything so crass and cynical, and I am shocked and embarrassed for you and the CLP. >I think what we really have here is an attempt by the MN-King to learn the size of the opposition. I can't speak for the MN, but on my part, I would like to know who I can trust and who I can't. Why should this be secret from anybody when it has never been a secret before? Trust me on this one, Fritz -- Keep secrets from me, and you will never enjoy my personal trust again. Ben
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Post by Baron Fritz on Aug 13, 2005 15:40:37 GMT -6
Are you losing it? Every person who is recruited is a non-citizen? And of course every citizen will take the Civic's test. You do not have to threaten me with that. You are not going to get me to violate other peoples privacy and tell you what party they belong to, what their religous beliefs are or anything else. What purpose does this serve other than trying to gain pre-election knowledge? Trust me on this one Ben -- We are going to continue to try to interest non-citizens in joining Talossa, just as you asked me to do, and when they become citizens we are going to try and convince them that "we are the future". And neither your threats, your anger or your name calling, or your collusion with the MN is going to change that.
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Post by King John on Aug 13, 2005 15:45:09 GMT -6
I'm laughing so hard I can barely type. Oh man. I let the cat out of the bag?! Dude, there's no cat and there's no bag! You asked whether we were trying to recruit people to be "pocket votes". I said no, we were trying — as I would think any Talossan would try — to recruit citizens to Talossa to have fun, participate, enjoy Talossa. Since then, you've said, I don't know, twelve? times, that we "have a policy", that "we admitted to having a policy", that "we don't deny having a policy", and so on. You've worked yourself up bit by bit from a casual question to some kind of wacko frenzy about corruption and unethical activity and the worst scandal in Talossan history — but Your Majesty is the only one who ever suggested such a CLP policy might exist.
OK, going back, fixing typos.
Seriously, your Majesty. Consider switching to decaf?
— John Woolley, having fun, but beginning to question my sanity
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Baron Fritz
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Post by Baron Fritz on Aug 13, 2005 15:56:22 GMT -6
LOL As a an Old Growther recently told me, when Ben feels there is something he cannot control he will go crazy. Let's put a brake on this silliness now. Everyone I ask to join Talossa I do becuase I think they can have fun with this. I encourage them to go on Wittenberg and post their opinions. As recent posts have shown we do not always agree. Now lets look at the last several pages of posts. Mark, Ben and lately Amy have been there but mostly it is members of the CLP, people I have recruited. In other words they ARE participating. Jason, Victor, John, Devin, Ian, Greg, all are interested, involved and having a good time. Others prefer to remain on the sidelines as do most supporters of the MN. In fact not one member of the MN other than Mark has been active. Like I said, "the other foot".
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Post by markymark on Aug 13, 2005 16:40:10 GMT -6
Again, the CLP reveals itself as the party following in the corrupt path of the PCs. We have more veiled attacks upon off-line citizens. There are plenty of ways to be active as a citizen, Wittenberg is only one.
Having more CLP members participate on Witt is not an indication of anything, just that you spend more time on the internet. This is neither a positive or a negative. By the way, you did not recruit all of the members that you listed, some were citizens before the CLP ever came around.
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Lord Q
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Post by Lord Q on Aug 13, 2005 17:12:44 GMT -6
Fritz has announced, to the best of my recollection, every citizen who has joined the CLP right here on Witt. So Your Majesty and Mr. PM, get off your own butts and look it up. Fritz is under no obligation to hand a list over to you just because you want one. This paranoia crap is actually becoming quite funny.
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Post by King John on Aug 13, 2005 17:18:13 GMT -6
You don't suppose they're just pretending to be paranoid? — John Woolley
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Post by Lord Q on Aug 13, 2005 17:37:32 GMT -6
Hey now, just because you're questioning your sanity doesn't mean you can go around making others question theirs! ;D
Although that would be funny, in a sick way.
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