'N Desfis

[Hooligan]

Just in time for the Feast of the Annunciation which is its theme, I have put my original Talossan-language Christmas carol "In Nazareþ" onto the nation's Website.

And yes, it comes complete with an MP3 in which yours truly audibly murders his own creation.

Check it out, if you have earplugs or a strong stomach, on this page of our nation's Website.

Hooligan

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Well, this certainly makes me appreciate Vogon Poetry that much more.

(actually, nice job, old man!)

[Óïn Ursüm]

'N trei ben melodia, es 'n bela expunziun! ¡Bravù!

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

Well, it's getting to be that time of year again, my friends.
And so... I give this thread a BUMP.

Oh, and if you'd like to "sing" along with the good Baron...

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

Noi zirent "Feliceu Natal"
Noi zirent "Feliceu Natal"
Noi zirent "Feliceu Natal"
"es 'n ben Nov'Anneu."

Apoartetz-noi del acaschcour,
Apoartetz-noi del acaschcour,
Apoartetz-noi del acaschcour,
En apoartetz nun.

Noi non ischent txusca menxhent.
Noi non ischent txusca menxhent.
Noi non ischent txusca menxhent.
Sa apoartetz nun.

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

Rúdolf, el Rendam del Nas Tacriat

Säpetz Ritxeir es Dançeir es Spaltreir es Vüxna
Cumesta, Cüpit es Cherenst es Blitzeu.
¿Mas sovenençetz-voi el rendam pü clüt da toct?

Rúdolf estev'iens rendam.
'N nas splendorind tignova.
Es, schi en avistadretz,
Ziradretz qe ça mitscha.

Toct dad els altreux rendams
Toctziua lo huarþevent.
Non permitevent Rúdolf
Quaptarh quand os brinchevent.

Sür l'Oïc'ha del Natal,
Bäps Natal zïa:
"Rúdolf, cün tu nas tacriat,
¿Oxhi förás't va schiltra?"

Es els rendams l'amevent.
Crident cün felicità:
"Rúdolf, cün tu nas tacriat
¡Davalás't in þistoria!"

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

María, ¿Säpevás't?

¿María, säpevás't qe tu puerculet marscharha sür l'apa?
¿María, säpevás't qe tu puerculet salvarha ár figlheux?
¿Säpevás't qe tu puerculet veneva à noviçarh-tu?
El pigneu qe frutevás, deliverarha-tu.

¿María, säpevás't qe tu puerculet vidançifiçarha 'n avuglheu?
¿María, säpevás't qe tu puerculet caumarha dels tempesteux?
¿Säpevás't qe tu puerculet marscheva cün els áinxhells?
Quand tzelovás tu pignet, tzelovás la faça da Dhïeu.

Els orps vidarhent, els sords auscultarhent es els moarts vivarhent à nhoua.
Els tzíeps bombarhent, els müts parlarhent las praiças del Agnel.

¿María, säpevás't qe tu puerculet isch el Domnul da Creaziun?
¿María, säpevás't qe tu puerculet prediçarha las naziuns?
¿Säpevás't qe tu puerculet isch Çéu s'Agnel parfäts?
Le pigneu dormind qi crasulás isch el grült Éu-Sint.

[Hooligan]

Atraþa Fidéux
(Adeste Fidelis / O Come All Ye Faithful)
[With thanks to Iustì Canun for his help with Old Talossan!]

TALOSSAN

OLD TALOSSAN (a.k.a. LATIN)

Atraþa fidéux, laetapunts tufatoreux: Veneretz, veneretz in Veþlac'heim: Nascat videtz-voi el Regeu dels áinxhells. Refrain Vetz-voi qe L'adoradrent, Vetz-voi qe L'adoradrent, Vetz-voi qe L'adoradrent, el Domnul. Díeu da Dhíeu, lux da lux eternal xhestent in üna pueglhula s'usteir Díeu vräts, xhenerat non façat:. (refrain) Cantetz nun cora d'áinxhells Cantetz nun sala celestial: Gloria àl exaltat Díeu (refrain) Aglhorc qi'st nascat, i ziua d'oxhi Iesu, à Thu isch la gloria: Patreu s'eternal Vierv isch carnù façat: (refrain) Cün brosquis relicts, hüvellmints àl cüna Pußidats pastours investent: Es noi rexhoiçent à lor festinança. (refrain) L'eternal Patreu sè resplendença iterneu Cunvelat sub carnù vidarhent: Díeu l'infint in dels caints involuta. (refrain) Per noi in exhença in firnadour cuba, Píeux faveschti ambiinds; Sa noastra ameir qi non reama? (refrain) Itri duciats Aþravaes, C'hríost adoretz-voi, Or, resinula, es iösta da-voi minc'hà; Iesu l'infint sè coraziun profra. (refrain)

Adeste fideles, laeti triumphantes: Venite, venite in Bethlehem: Natum videte Regem angelorum. Cantilena Venite adoremus, Venite adoremus, Venite adoremus Dominum. Deum de Deo, lumen de lúmine, gestant puellae viscera Deum verum, genitum non factum: (cantilena) Cantet nunc io chorus Angelórum cantet nunc aula caelestium: Gloria in excelsis Deo: (cantilena) Ergo qui natus, die hodierna Jesu, tibi sit glória: Patris aeterni Verbum caro factum: (cantilena) En grege relicto, humiles ad cunas Vocati pastores approperant: Et nos ovanti gradu festinemus. (cantilena) Aeterni Parentis splendorem aeternum Velatum sub carne videbimus: Deum infantem pannis involutum. (cantilena) Pro nobis egenum in foeno cubantem, Piis foveamus amplexibus; Sic nos anamtem quis non redamaret? (cantilena) Stella duce, Magi, Christum adorantes, Aurum, thus, et myrrham dant munera; Jesu infanti corda praebeamus. (cantilena)

ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE TALOSSAN

Draw near ye faithful, joyful and triumphant: Worship, worship in Bethlehem: Behold born the King of the angels. Refrain Come let us adore Him! Come let us adore Him! Come let us adore Him, the Lord. God from God, light from eternal light Are carried in a virgin's womb True God, begotten not made: (refrain) Sing now choir of angels Sing now heavenly hall: Glory to the exalted God: (refrain) So then is born this very day Jesus, to Thee is the glory: The Father's eternal Word is made flesh: (refrain) With neglected flocks, humbly to the cradle Summoned shepherds hurry: And we rejoice at their haste. (refrain) The eternal Father's eternal splendour Veiled beneath flesh we will see: God the infant wrapped in rag clothing. (refrain) For us in need in hay he lays: Pious favoured surroundings; So who could not return our Lover's love? (refrain) Star-led wise men, worship Christ: Gold, frankincense, and myrrh, give your offerings; The newborn Jesus offers His heart. (refrain)

One thing for the interested student of Talossan to note is that I have chosen to go away from the meaning of the original latin venite (= 'come ye') and use the Talossan verb venerarh to make veneretz there, meaning "worship ye". The reason for this change is that although Talossan does have a verb that formed directly from the Latin venerare (= "to come"), and that verb is viénarh, this verb no longer has that meaning, and in fact Talossan has no verb meaning specifically "to come". Instead that meaning has been subsumed into the verb irh, which was originally "to go" and which now is called "the verb of motion" because it means either "to come" or "to go", depending on context, or, in fact, simply means "to move or change locations", the Talossan mind kind of losing the whole distinction between "coming" and "going" that Latin and other languages enforce. Instead, viénarh has shifted meaning to where it is used to indicate "about to" and "just (did)".

For this same reason, the venite in the refrain became vetz-voi (a form of the verb of motion) instead of the direct translation into the Talossan verb viénarh whose meaning has shifted.

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

Nov 30, 2010 22:14:55 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

One thing for the interested student of Talossan to note is that I have chosen to go away from the meaning of the original latin venite (= 'come ye') and use the Talossan verb venerarh to make veneretz there, meaning "worship ye". The reason for this change is that although Talossan does have a verb that formed directly from the Latin venerare (= "to come"), and that verb is viénarh, this verb no longer has that meaning, and in fact Talossan has no verb meaning specifically "to come". Instead that meaning has been subsumed into the verb irh, which was originally "to go" and which now is called "the verb of motion" because it means either "to come" or "to go", depending on context, or, in fact, simply means "to move or change locations", the Talossan mind kind of losing the whole distinction between "coming" and "going" that Latin and other languages enforce. Instead, viénarh has shifted meaning to where it is used to indicate "about to" and "just (did)".

For this same reason, the venite in the refrain became vetz-voi (a form of the verb of motion) instead of the direct translation into the Talossan verb viénarh whose meaning has shifted.

Just a simple question. Why don't you have used a form of the verb of motion also for the exhortation to come in Bethlehem as you did in the refrain?

[Hooligan]

Jan 7, 2011 11:28:02 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

Just a simple question. Why don't you have used a form of the verb of motion also for the exhortation to come in Bethlehem as you did in the refrain?

Only for reasons of metre, as I felt that va or vetz ("go/come!") and even va-voi or vetz-voi ("go/come ye!"), being fewer than three syllables, did not match as well to the Latin venite, so I believed that the initial verse "sings better" using veneretz.

In the refrain, though, I thought that vetz-voi worked since it is followed by qe. So vetz-voi qe ("go/come ye [so] that"), I felt, matches the metre of the Latin venite.

Thanks for asking!

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

As per tradition, I have stickied this thread, that anyone who might potentially Talossify a seasonal song might have a place to put it.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Huzzah! I will certainly be making a contribution to this thread this year.

[Lüc da Schir]

I'll try to do something...

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

This year, with the assistance of David Huisman, I have translated a traditional Catalan carol: Fum, Fum, Fum (or "El Vint-e-Cinc de Desembre"). This is a very old carol (about 500 years) and appears in many different versions, but for the most part I've followed the version David grew up with.

Fum, Fum, Fum

Li vaintsch es simca da Zecemvar Fum, fum, fum Li vaintsch es simca da Zecemvar Fum, fum, fum Isch nascat 'n titeu pigneu Vintsch est blondeu, vintsch es blondeu Figlheu da María-Vierxha Pronaveu din 'n baíta Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum Aicì inalt sür la montagna Fum, fum, fum Aicì inalt sür la montagna Fum, fum, fum Nun ja doua pastourets Toct abricats, toct abricats Cün lor ischeis es manteglhen Menxhinds uois es amergazen Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum In el nic'ht el sol apiara Fum, fum, fum In el nic'ht el sol apiara Fum, fum, fum Va el áinxhell resplendént À lhor zirind, à lhor zirind O'st nascat din 'n baíta Clan da Díeu es María-Vierxha Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum Li vaintsch es simca da Zecemvar Fum, fum, fum Li vaintsch es simca da Zecemvar Fum, fum, fum C'e la ziua da Natal Mült special, mült special Zespartinds la Formisa Noi menxharhent cosetas finas Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum Díeu noi zoneva la feschta Fum, fum, fum Díeu noi zoneva la feschta Fum, fum, fum Siat fred eda virsolour Serà el miglhor, serà el miglhor Noi riedinent Iesu se storia Parç qe noi volt zonarh la gloria Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum

A vint-i-cinc de desembre Fum, fum, fum A vint-i-cinc de desembre Fum, fum, fum Ha nascut un minyonet Ros i blanquet, ros i blanquet; Fill de la Verge Maria, N'és nat en una establia. Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum Allí dalt de la muntanya Fum, fum, fum Allí dalt de la muntanya Fum, fum, fum Si n'hi ha dos pastorets Abrigadets, abrigadets; Amb la pell i la samarra, Menjant ous i botifarra. Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum Nit enllà el sol desperta Fum, fum, fum Nit enllà el sol desperta Fum, fum, fum Veuen l’angel resplendent Que els va dient, que els va dient Ara es nat a l’establia Deu infant fill de Maria Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum A vint-i-cinc de desembre Fum, fum, fum A vint-i-cinc de desembre Fum, fum, fum És el dia de Nadal Molt principal, Molt principal En sortint de les Maitines Menjarem cosetas finas Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum Déu nos dó unes santes festes Fum, fum, fum Déu nos dó unes santes festes Fum, fum, fum Faci fred faci calor Serà el millor, serà el millor De Jesús fem gran memòria Perqué ens vulgui dar la Glòria Fum, fum, fum Fum, fum, fum

TRANSLATION NOTE: The Catalan carol has the little shepherds eating "ous i botifarra" -- eggs and a traditional Catalan sausage. For the Talossan version I have substituted amergaz (or merguez) -- a traditional Berber sausage!

EDIT: Added Catalan lyrics.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Some time ago in this thread, Lord Hooligan translated the carol "Angels We Have Heard on High." Now I've prepared another Talossan version based on the original French carol, "les anges dans nos campagnes" ("the angels in our fields").

Els Áinxhells dal Campagna

Els áinxhells dal campagna Cantent çéu se chirluscha Es el sintzour dal montagna Rezireva aceasta curfa Gloria in excelsis Déo! (bis) Pastours, perqet aceasta feschta? Qet'st l'obxhect dal cantaziun? Qualsevol víncitex eda devic'hta Merita aceasta xhuvilaziun Gloria in excelsis Déo! (bis) O'st nascat, Díeu da gloria Tzara trembla avetz l'alegrança Qe dals chirluschas da victoria Celebratadrent tu Meschic'ha Gloria in excelsis Déo! (bis)

Les anges dans nos campagnes Ont entonné l'hymne des cieux Et l'écho de nos montagnes Redit ce chant mélodieux Gloria in excelsis Déo! (bis) Bergers, pour qui cette fête Quel est l'objet de tous ces chants? Quel vainqueur, quelle conquête Mérite ces cris triomphants ? Gloria in excelsis Déo! (bis) Il est né, le Dieu de gloire Terre, tressaille de bonheur Que tes hymnes de victoire Chantent, célèbrent ton sauveur ! Gloria in excelsis Déo! (bis)