Baron Fritz
Citizen since 12-7-2004; Knight since 11-30-2005; Baron since 12-26-2009
Posts: 136
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Post by Baron Fritz on Jul 16, 2008 13:11:55 GMT -6
So it starts again. Ben brings back Talossa for a third time and once more rewrites it's history on a public site. While many of you are dismissive of this I am the one being publicly insulted and lied about and see nothing funny about it. I did not violate the Organic Laws, did not appoint anyone King, and have done my best to be a productive citizen of this Kingdom. While I failed as Prime Minister to bring together the people that Ben drove apart (and I truly regret that) I did my best in all I could. How long does this go on?
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Xhorxh Asmour
Talossan since 02-21-2003
Wot? Me, worry?
Posts: 1,754
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Jul 16, 2008 13:22:33 GMT -6
Sir Fritz, you only deserve my (and Talossa's) most heartfelt thanks for the great work you did.
And you still have a lot to give in the future.
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King John
King of Talossa
Posts: 2,415
Talossan Since: 5-7-2005
Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Jul 16, 2008 13:23:07 GMT -6
Fritz, nobody who knows *anything* about Ben is going to believe *anything* he writes. And nobody who knows you is going to believe you did anything mean or dishonest. Yeah, it's a pain; but don't worry. *You're* the good guy, and we all know it.
— John R
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on Jul 16, 2008 14:36:52 GMT -6
Sir Fritz --
All of us who, with you, defended, protected, and preserved the Organic Law (instead of, as a certain former King did, renouncing allegiance to it and to his nation) look with great favour on your many, varied, and selfless services to this nation.
All of us who, led by you, secured the rights to Talossanity, understand the hurt you have suffered for simply doing your job administering immigration (precisely as directed to, with every one of your actions being approved at the time by King, the Secretary of State, and the Prime Minister as being completely proper and legal), and promoting an active political and cultural life for Talossans.
All of us who know that this Kingdom maintains its unbroken connection to the 26th of December, 1979, by a rigorous and diligent adherence to the principles on which the nation was founded, also know that sticks and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt thee. For our part, we of the Kingdom see no need to throw sticks, stones, or even names, and regret that there may be those who made the mission of their form of Talossanity be to do so.
All of us who can look back on the history of this nation and know that in each and every case, the rule of law has been followed to the letter -- Talossan law, created by Talossans dating back nearly thirty years -- stand with you.
There are provisions in our law for the return of anyone who has renounced his or her connection to this historic Kingdom. Criticizing this nation and its good people from outside it, however, is an activity for non-citizens, and one that cannot hold our attention. This is especially true when any impartial observer would find it rather inexplicable to criticize a nation for simply following its own laws, and for doing precisely what those laws say to do -- even when its own King takes his ball and goes home, declaring his strong and vibrant nation to be "dead", rather than embrace the Organic Law he helped write.
The Kingdom of Talossa persists. It has persisted for 29 years, and it will persist. The population of the Talossan nation will continue to grow, as will the number of groups and the number of persons who choose to call themselves Talossan, sharing with us our national culture, our language, and our heritage, without being citizens of the Kingdom that governs our provinces.
We who maintain the state that was established in 1979 and who hold it in trust for posterity recognise that no nation is perfect, especially to those who are not its citizens, but we can and do work to live up to the high standards of our nation's history, and labour to serve and better this nation to the best of our ability.
We who read the words that cause you pain can only concentrate on our own work to protect and preserve the Talossan nation. Reading those words, we yet remain truly hopeful that Talossanity in all its manifestations can and will somehow lead from the various forms of bitterness in segments of our culture back to a love for this state that still stands proudly at center-stage flying the bicoloreu...this one enduring Talossan nation that started it all.
Hooligan
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2008 17:05:22 GMT -6
To butt in here for a moment: I would like to offer s:reu v. Buchholtz my personal sympathy, as someone else who has been slandered by Mad Bob for eleven years or more. I hope it makes Fritz feel a bit better that if there's anything guaranteed to make the subjects of King John and the citizens of the Talossan Republic close ranks, it's Madison's bullying and lies. You guys have the solidarity and support of this Republic citizen, at least, on this issue. Although I would disagree with s:reu Hand on one point, at least - this Kingdom in one important respect does not follow an important tradition of 26/12/79, and that tradition is: "What Ben Says, Goes". Which is kind of the problem here. miestrâ
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Baron Fritz
Citizen since 12-7-2004; Knight since 11-30-2005; Baron since 12-26-2009
Posts: 136
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Post by Baron Fritz on Jul 16, 2008 19:07:17 GMT -6
Thanks everyone. Several days ago a customer came into my business and started to tell me about myself. It appears he had "googled me" and then reached his own observations. Currently I am a member of the local village government, a Trustee if you will. I enjoy serving my community and helping others. My motto is "find a way to say yes"! But now when people google me they will find something else. That I am a "Nazi" and other things that are not true. Believe it or not this will have an adverse affect on my life here. King John did not surprise me with his support. Nor did the Prime Minister. I expected as much as they are good people and dedicated Talossans and thus have acted as such. And a thanks to Miestra too. We have never met but in our past communications I never found dishonesty or deciept. So again, thank you ....everyone. I really did not mean to hurt Ben or anyone else.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2008 19:20:18 GMT -6
Fritz, a word of advice: Firstly, you are respected by EVERY Talossan, subject of King John or citizen of the Republic, for your noble role in our history. Nothing will change that.
Secondly, Ben is a bully and a liar, and his only purpose in telling those lies about you is to upset you (and to look cool in front of the tiny group of cultists he still has around him). It is not your fault he is bitter and angry. He has always been bitter and angry. However, outside of his role in Talossa, he has absolutely no power in the real world - witness the way, for example, he was polite as pie to Chris Gruber at TalossaFest 2003, right before launching a campaign to destroy Chris the instant Chris was safely outside punching range. Ben is so socially challenged as to not know that, in the real world, if you call someone a Nazi (who's not actually a swastika-wearing Hitler-heiling brownshirt), you have automatically lost the argument and revealed your own intellectual bankruptcy. It's called "Godwin's Law".
Thirdly, I believe that the antidote to Ben's lies is to tell the truth about Talossa, where it came from and where it's going, and I hope to work closely with historians in the Kingdom of Talossa on a Real History of our glorious naziunetâ. I truly think that's the best way to neutralise all lies coming from the house of Mad Bob.
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
Proud Talossan
Posts: 1,592
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Post by Flip Molinar on Jul 16, 2008 19:21:57 GMT -6
You should sue Ben for libel and defamation of character. That is something that cannot be tolerated. I will not sit by and watch my countrymen and countrywoman be treated in this manner.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2008 19:36:44 GMT -6
PS: the best defence against being called a Nazi by Mad Bob is to unearth those old photos of Ben in full monarcho-fascist drag in the '80s, like the one on the cover of the Big Thick History (the one where he's wearing an armband with the Hungarian Szálasi regime's logo on it)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 20:41:09 GMT -6
You should sue Ben for libel and defamation of character. That is something that cannot be tolerated. I will not sit by and watch my countrymen and countrywoman be treated in this manner. I agree.
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
Proud Talossan
Posts: 1,592
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Post by Flip Molinar on Jul 16, 2008 21:35:52 GMT -6
In fact better yet, a class action lawsuit. Is that workable?
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Post by Jack Fenton on Jul 17, 2008 6:22:24 GMT -6
What's class action when it's at home?
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
Proud Talossan
Posts: 1,592
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Post by Flip Molinar on Jul 17, 2008 7:35:40 GMT -6
Well he called all of us these derogatory names, and I don't think that's legal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 8:50:58 GMT -6
He named Sir Fritz a neo-nazi, he referred to the rest of us as the same company. I don't think a CA lawsuit would work because we are not named explicitly. I am no student of law, I know we have a few lawyers in our midst, perhaps our beloved Prince Patrick can weigh in... or if we have some full fledged members of the bar. Also, if Sir Fritz wants to pursue this, I would hope he contacts a lawyer immediately, and I hope that the website gets recorded on webarchive, also that he contacts a lawyer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 8:51:10 GMT -6
I would think that if Sir Fritz could demonstrate that B's comments negatively impacted his business -- and that certainly seems to be feasible, given the customer interaction he cites -- there could be a case. As for class action, I'm not sure how you'd prove damage to others, unless similar circumstances could be demonstrated. Of course, I'm not a lawyer....
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