The "What's Left of the Flag" Bill (CC II)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I thank the Jaune Sabre Herald, but even if such power were granted to the College by the act, I should point out that the Ziu would not have had the power to grant it. The list of powers granted the Ziu are specific, and deciding for the provinces what their flags should be is most certainly not among them.

EDIT: Org XVII.6 states the powers of the Ziu. Number 17 states "# Symbols, flags, heraldry, anthems, cultural events and other like things of the Kingdom of Talossa; but not of the individual Provinces (the Ziu may make exception for the defence of traditional nomenclature or heraldry in place before the adoption of this Organic Law); "

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

alexandreu said:

May I point out that that legislation does not say that the College can reject or confirm a flag. It simply says that they are in charge of creating and maintaing them.

What if the College refuses to create the flag?

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

THen they wouldn't being doing their organic duty, would they?

[EM Vürinalt]

Might I say that the CC has already passed this, but we need one more vote to account for all the voters in the CC and make it official.

We'll be submitting it to the college for approval after this vote is accounted for.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

alexandreu said:

THen they wouldn't being doing their organic duty, would they?

Of course they would.
You wouldn't ask them to create something that went against their own rules, would you?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

mick said:

alexandreu said:

THen they wouldn't being doing their organic duty, would they?

Of course they would.
You wouldn't ask them to create something that went against their own rules, would you?

I agree with S:reu Preston. While the Ziu has no power over provincial flags, the provinces do not have any power over the national College of Arms, either. If the College deems it appropriate only to help those Provinces as agree to abide by the national standards of vexillology it has set, as it has every right to do, then a Province must abide by the consequences of their decisions and do without their guidance.

[Hooligan]

To poke an uninvited Florencian head in here, it might have not gone unnoticed that the Nimlet of Florencia is currently considering an act changing the flag of that great province as well. If I recall, the proposal calls on the Governor (akin to your Maestro) to present the flag to the College Of Arms. Given the Organically bestowed freedom of provinces to establish their own flags, this referral to the College as specified by the draft act is, I assume, a courtesy and a nod to the wish of Florencians to seek a royal and national (and very respected and educated) opinion on the flag. In its wisdom, the Nimlet included a provision in the act on which it is currently voting that indicates that the flag shall not, after all, become the new standard of Florencia without the Governor obtaining the sought approval of the College.

Unpoking,
Hooligan's Head

[EM Vürinalt]

mha said:

To poke an uninvited Florencian head in here, it might have not gone unnoticed that the Nimlet of Florencia is currently considering an act changing the flag of that great province as well. If I recall, the proposal calls on the Governor (akin to your Maestro) to present the flag to the College Of Arms. Given the Organically bestowed freedom of provinces to establish their own flags, this referral to the College as specified by the draft act is, I assume, a courtesy and a nod to the wish of Florencians to seek a royal and national (and very respected and educated) opinion on the flag. In its wisdom, the Nimlet included a provision in the act on which it is currently voting that indicates that the flag shall not, after all, become the new standard of Florencia without the Governor obtaining the sought approval of the College.

Unpoking,
Hooligan's Head

Yes, that is precisely the action we will be taking in Mussolini.

The bills that are currently passed (asside from the constitution) will not be official until we have elected a Maestro that has approved them and we well then submit the flag to the College of Arms for approval.

[EM Vürinalt]

I, Matáiwos Vürinalt, Maestro of the Province of Mussolini,
Hereby declare this bill a law,
On the 9th of March in the year of our lord 2008, the second year of the reign of his majesty King John I, and of the independence of Talossa the twentyninth,
To be enacted immediately (or however congress deems in the bill).