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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 11:23:25 GMT -6
You are right. Mussolini does not represent Italy. And as an Italian member of the province (Olivieri), I wholeheartedly agree that many Italians do not support (Benito) Mussolini.
My point is simply to the outsider, we have a very Italian looking flag and our province is named after Mussolini. To the untrained eye, might that not look like we are fans of Italian fascism?
If we want to keep up this neato Italian thing, that's fine. But if we are going to make the flag decidedly Italian, perhaps we need to very seriously begin to reconsider the Province name.
If the province was loaded with German-Talossans, had a flag of an Iron Cross and the Province was named "Eichmann" would it be unreasonable for a person to assume that you were paying homage to Adolf Eichmann?
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 1, 2008 12:02:10 GMT -6
You are right. Mussolini does not represent Italy. And as an Italian member of the province (Olivieri), I wholeheartedly agree that many Italians do not support (Benito) Mussolini. My point is simply to the outsider, we have a very Italian looking flag and our province is named after Mussolini. To the untrained eye, might that not look like we are fans of Italian fascism? If we want to keep up this neato Italian thing, that's fine. But if we are going to make the flag decidedly Italian, perhaps we need to very seriously begin to reconsider the Province name. If the province was loaded with German-Talossans, had a flag of an Iron Cross and the Province was named "Eichmann" would it be unreasonable for a person to assume that you were paying homage to Adolf Eichmann? Might I ask- What version of the flag are you looking at. The Talossan based one with the small flag of Italy in the coat of arms (the flag on the top)seems to be the one we will be sending to the College of Arms for approval. As to the name, we plan to submit legislation to the Corperative Chamber for a name change at the culmination of the Election. Please read the "New Years Resolution for Mussolini" or the "Time for Change" thread to post any of your ideas on the name change.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jan 1, 2008 13:02:49 GMT -6
You are right. Mussolini does not represent Italy. And as an Italian member of the province (Olivieri), I wholeheartedly agree that many Italians do not support (Benito) Mussolini. My point is simply to the outsider, we have a very Italian looking flag and our province is named after Mussolini. To the untrained eye, might that not look like we are fans of Italian fascism? If we want to keep up this neato Italian thing, that's fine. But if we are going to make the flag decidedly Italian, perhaps we need to very seriously begin to reconsider the Province name. If the province was loaded with German-Talossans, had a flag of an Iron Cross and the Province was named "Eichmann" would it be unreasonable for a person to assume that you were paying homage to Adolf Eichmann? That makes sense. Incidentally, in the archives recently posted by S:reu Ventrutx, I noticed a law that might affect Mussolini's decision. It set out guidelines for provincial names. If I recall correctly, it said that provinces can't be named after living Talossans, or after any other person who had not both 1) set foot on Talossan soil and 2) made some kind of contribution to Talossan history, culture, etc. We should find out whether that law passed and is still in effect. If so, you'd need the cooperation of the Ziu to change Mussolini's name to something that doesn't comply with those guidelines.
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jan 1, 2008 13:27:31 GMT -6
S:reu Siervicül, just out of curiosity, in which specific archive did you find this purported law? I would like to see the exact outlines of the law for myself, just for future reference.
Call it intuition, but something makes me strongly doubt that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk & Benito Mussolini have set foot on the G.T.A., Cezembre, or the Antarctic territories.... I will continue to look into this law, but if S;reu Siervicül or another could post the U.R.L. to the archive containing this particular law, I would much appreciate it.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 1, 2008 13:32:14 GMT -6
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 1, 2008 14:52:43 GMT -6
Ah, this is indeed an interesting developement.
I think this should first be discussed in the Mussolinian Corperative Chamber, and should it pass, introduced to the Ziu.
Hopefully it passes due to the circumstances of the name. It is not debateable like Ataturk- we all know that Mussolini was a rutheless dictator and it needs to be addressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2008 21:28:09 GMT -6
Let me clarify my statements from earlier just to avoid confusion. If we are going to use that flag, great, I like it. If we are going to keep going by Mussolini, fine, tradition. However, if we do the two together, I think we are sending a poor message (see the above German example).
Let's see what the status of this law is, then we'll move forward from there.
As for which flag design I was speaking of, either, both of them have distinctive Italian elements.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jan 2, 2008 2:09:13 GMT -6
S:reu Siervicül, just out of curiosity, in which specific archive did you find this purported law? I would like to see the exact outlines of the law for myself, just for future reference. Call it intuition, but something makes me strongly doubt that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk & Benito Mussolini have set foot on the G.T.A., Cezembre, or the Antarctic territories.... I will continue to look into this law, but if S;reu Siervicül or another could post the U.R.L. to the archive containing this particular law, I would much appreciate it. It may well be that the bill in question never passed, or was later repealed. I'll try to find it again. But it was intended to be prospective in application (i.e., it didn't apply to existing provincial names). Atatürk and Mussolini provinces had already been named by then.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 2, 2008 8:39:29 GMT -6
Okay, well we should make sure nonetheless in order to know if we need the Ziu's approvial for this.
Just for clarification: We will not change the flag without also changing the name. For Talossinity's (I love new words ;D) sake we would like to keep it Italian, but the name we change it to will be an Italian that actually did the world some good. For example, we could rename the province "Michaelangelo" or something.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 2, 2008 21:39:01 GMT -6
It is heartwarming to see that it appears Mussolini seems to be experiencing its own renaissance of sorts.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 3, 2008 7:22:03 GMT -6
It is heartwarming to see that it appears Mussolini seems to be experiencing its own renaissance of sorts. Most definitely, and we urge other provinces to do the same!
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