The February 2008 Clark

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

The February 2008 Clark is available from the front page of the website or here.
Voting runs February 1 through February 21.

All Ziu members should see a copy in their email very soon.


Please contact me with any questions, typos, or blatant bribes.

Mick Preston

Secretary of State

================================================
This Month's Business:

On the Clark:

• 38RZ1 - The International Community Entrance Bill, Iteration XIV I.C.E. 9
  
• 38RZ2 - 38RZ2 The Broad-Leaf Dandelion Act**
  
• Vote of Confidence (Cosâ only)

Name	Seats	38RZ1	38RZ2	VOC
DPD
Tony Weckstrom	16	PËR	PËR	Üc
CCCP
Xhorxh Asmour	6	Aus	PËR	Üc
Ian Danois	6	Aus	PËR	Üc
Ian da Bitour	4	Contrâ	PËR	Üc
CRO
X. Pol Briga	3	Contra	PËR	Üc
LRT
Matáiwos Vürinalt	5	Aus	PËR	Üc
Éovart Caçeir	5	Aus	PËR	Üc
Flip Molinar	5	PËR	PËR	Üc
Danihél Lauriéir	5	PËR	PËR	Üc
Owen Edwards	5	PËR	PËR	Üc
Breneir Tzaracomprada	3	PËR	PËR	Üc
Dréu Gavárþic'h	3	PËR	PËR	Üc
Max Sklar	2	PËR	PËR	Üc
RUMP
Baron Ma la Mha	20	PËR	PËR	Üc
Viteu Toctviac'hteir	15	Contra	PËR	Üc
Tímoþi Asmourescu	15	PËR	PËR	Üc
Bleic'h Spenséir Iánescu	14	PËR	PËR	Üc
Çaðatay Çakýr	15	PËR	PËR	Üc
Cjarâ Brainerd	15	PËR	PËR	Üc
Sevastáin Casálmac'h	15	Contra	PËR	Üc
Aspra Laira	10	AUS	PËR	Üc
Catrina Þestra	10	PËR	PËR	Üc
Mick Preston	1	Aus	PËR	Üc
Royal Placement*
Sir Fritz von Buchholtz	1	PËR	PËR	Non
S:reu John McGarry	1	Aus	PËR	Üc
	TOTALS	129-37-34	200-0	199-1

Name	Party	38RZ1	38RZ2
Bradley Holmes	RUMP	Contra	PËR
Nikü Spyropoulos	RUMP	PËR	PËR
Prince Patrick	RUMP	Contra	PËR
Olaf Brainerd	RUMP	Contra	PËR
Alexander Davis	RUMP	PËR	PËR
Nicolâ Casálmac'h	RUMP	Contra	PËR
Sir Trotxâ Betiñéir	RUMP	Contra	PËR
	TOTALS	2-5	7-0

*Assigned from RUMP Allocated Seats.

** 38RZ2 The Broad-Leaf Dandelion Act was brought to the Clark via Seneschal Request, OrgLaw Article IX, Section 7

[Owen Edwards]

I might not be able to vote, but I'll harrumph obnoxiously!

(The MC quickly reseats himself...)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I vote "Per" for 38RZ1. This RUMP bill represents one of the first attempts to reintroduce Talossa to the outside world in recent years, and is an important first step in that process.

I also vote "Per" on 38RZ2. This bipartisan bill is a good stopgap for an immediate problem. I also look forward to working on a longer-term permanent solution to the issue within the OrgLaw.

I would also like to take this opportunity to ask the Seneschal to issue a Prime Dictate regarding the Conta Laurier, who should be allowed to return to his home province. I doubt there is a person in these chambers who does not want to see such a P.D. issued immediately. The Seneschal, ever-conscious of the importance of democracy in our country, has suggested that this might be done in a bill, but rather than waiting so long, we might express here informally our desire to see this done immediately.

[Hooligan]

[The Seneschal rises to address the Ziu, unsure, really, which Chamber he is currently virtually standing in, seeing both an MC and a Senator voting here; very strange.]

Welcome to the 38th Cosa, everyone. The King and his nation thank you for your service. I look forward to a fruitful term which will see great progress for this great nation.

I note Senator Davis has called for an expression of the wishes of the Members of the Ziu as regards the efficacy of a Prime Dictate that would allow our unintentionally wayward Count a route back to his provincial home. The will of the people as expressed through their representatives will definitely be taken into consideration in this important matter, and should a groundswell of support for this noble purpose be apparent, a Prime Dictate will certainly be drafted and issued to speedily address the situation.

The first order of business, however, is for me to recommend a Túischac'h (Speaker) of the Cosa to the King for appointment, and for the Senators to elect a Mençei from among their number. Let us first organise our houses, my fellow legislators, and let us see some polite and purposeful debate on new proposals, coloured with all sorts of completely unnecessary pomp and circumstance.

The Cosa and Senate bars are open. First round's on me.

I yield the floor.

[The Seneschal leaves the podium to be first in line at the bar.]

[Flip Molinar]

My votes are already logged but just to be sure that there is no confusion, I voted via phone.

[Flip Molinar]

*Picks up megaphone out of thin air* BRING DAN HOME! BRING DAN HOME! *Drops megaphone which vanishes with a poof of green and red smoke, shrugs shoulders as heads turn*

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

I do hope you all are voting for something...

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

The Seneschal points out, rightly, that it is unusual for a Senator to cast his vote in the Cosa. I have done so for the express purpose of making the above statement regarding the PD. I apologize to the Secretary of State that this appears to have led to some antics among some of the MCs.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

Spunarhéu qe tienent douas glheþen uficiais in Talossa, es neviens lor uça per afaes uficiais. Per aceasta raziun, solamint uçarhéu el glhetg naziunal dürant votas dal Cosa.

Pa «38RZ1 - The International Community Entrance Bill, Iteration XIV I.C.E. 9» - Votéu "per"
Pa «38RZ2 - 38RZ2 The Broad-Leaf Dandelion Act» ('n praxel qualselvol cöradra la involuziun dal dintaliun da S:reu Ventrutx) - Votéu «per»
Pa la «Vota da Confiençù» (eda, come voi «non-ladinitschen» ziradretz, «Vote of Confidence») - Votéu «üc»

[EM Vürinalt]

Pa 38RZ1 - The International Community Entrance Bill : Astenéu
Pa 38RZ2 - The Broad Leaf Dandelion Act : Për
Pa la Vota da Confiençù: Üc

[Xhorxh Asmour]

My vote is:

38RZ1 - The International Community Entrance Bill : Astanéu
38RZ2 - The Broad Leaf Dandelion Act : Për
VC: Üc

[Deleted]

38RZ1- NON
38RZ2 - PER

As far the Dan question, if he wishes to return to Vuode, he can either move to a geographic location that is assigned to Vuode, or move to Vuode itself. Otherwise, hey, I want to switch provinces too! To S:reu Davis, I do not believe this issue should've been brought up in this thread.

People, unless your voting, or a member of the Cosa, you probably shouldn't be posting in here. If you wish to speak about a possible PD, lobby for a PD, and/or pretty much anything else that isn't voting, do it elsewhere.

VOC - UC

[Vit Caçeir]

38RZ1- I prefer to "Astenéu" from this bill. While I certainly recognize this bill's good intention, and agree that the Kingdom should enter the international community and engage in foreign politics, I believe the territorial integrity of (at least) the G.T.A. should be recognized (on some scale) by the United States of America.

Additionally, one should note that if the United Nations were to allow the Kingdom to ascend to U.N. status, the institution would be in violation of its own Antarctic Treaty of 1962, which states that no claims (other than those recognized by the treaty) on Antarctic territory will be recognized by the United Nations. Thus, the Kingdom would be forced to abandon its claims on the Pengöpäts region.

38RZ2- I vote "për" for this bill. As the Kingdom goes into the future, this is an way to avoid a potential problem regarding the legal status of children of Talossan families.

VC: Üc.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I find some of these votes surprising.

edwardwadas said:

38RZ1- I prefer to "Astenéu" from this bill. While I certainly recognize this bill's good intention, and agree that the Kingdom should enter the international community and engage in foreign politics, I believe the territorial integrity of (at least) the G.T.A. should be recognized (on some scale) by the United States of America.

mbenzschawel said:

Pa 38RZ1 - The International Community Entrance Bill : Astenéu

In the thread for the bill itself, both of you promise to support the bill after some discussion. In fact, MC Caçeir vowed to "do anything I can to help make the dream of U.N. membership a reality", and MC Vürinalt claimed "I support this bill with my entire heart" and that he would "whole heartedly agree and back this bill".

I can understand when S:reu Toctviac'hteir votes negative on this bill, but the party that ran and campaigned on a pledge to involve Talossa in international affairs is voting against it? Why have two out of three LRT members voted against a bill formerly lauded in the strongest wording by their party, and after those two members personally promised to support the bill?

[Vit Caçeir]

Senator Davis,
In another thread, I expressed my concerns regarding the question of Talossan ascension to the United Nations:

edwardwadas said:

While I staunchly agree with this measure, I see two problems coming up in the forseeable future....

A.) While the United States of America has (informally) recognized our independence, the French Republic, the current de jure possessor of our Cezembre province, has never done anything to recognize the Kingdom's sovereignty over the island. This may result in some tough negotiations which might result in Talossa being forced to cede Cezembre, if she wishes to join the United Nations.

B.) Talossa's claim on the Pengopats colony violates, according to the United Nations, the Antarctic Treaty of 1962, which states that no new territorial claims will be accepted as long as the treaty is in place. Because this treaty was signed before Talossa achieved independence, it will be hard to defend our claims to our southernmost territory.

You might also note that I did not vote "against" this bill, I abstained from voting on it. Seeing as the question of territorial integrity remain unresolved in regards to Cezembre and our Antarctic claims, I feel we should resolve these problems prior to petitioning U.N. membership, as opposed to "crossing that bridge when we come to it".

If we can resolve such disputes, I would be more than happy to pledge my full support to this cause. I will even go on a self-administered fact-finding mission to see if there are exceptions to the Antarctic treaty, or to find ways to resolve territorial disputes with France. But as it stands now, I cannot truthfully pledge my support to a bill that risks sacrificing one of our provinces and our Antarctic territory.

I hope that I've sufficiently explained my stance on this bill, and I also hope Senator Davis does not misinterpret my temporary delay in making a final decision as an outright opposition to what I find to be all-in-all an excellent bill. It is not the bill I disagree with, it's the current position of the United Nations, and in my opinion, immediate political disagreements with the United Nations are not a good head-start in introducing Talossa to the international community.