Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Nov 30, 2005 0:41:48 GMT -6
My Lords and Fellow Heralds - Attached herein are the three proposed coronets for our Nobles. Please send your comments and thoughts. -- Jaune Sabre For The Duke and Duchess- A golden circlet with 4 leaves with pearls alternating with 4 pearls (3 and 2 visible), with 4 mounted sapphires (2 visible) and 4 mounted rubies (3 visible). For The Count and Countess - A golden circlet with 8 pearls (5 visible) raised on rays, with 4 mounted emeralds (3 visible) each separated by 6 garnet studs 2 and 3. For Baron and Baroness - A silver circlet with 4 points (3 visible).
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King John
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Post by King John on Nov 30, 2005 8:30:17 GMT -6
I always thought a Baron's coronet had pearls on it. Besides that, cool beans!
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Nov 30, 2005 13:34:56 GMT -6
Not bad - the silver circlet for barons is unusual, but I kind of like it. It might be cleaner to use a coronet with just leaves (no pearls) for dukes - then we'd have a clear progression of naked points for barons, pearls for counts, and leaves for dukes. Don't know if you've seen this site before, but they have some nice examples of types of coronets used in different countries: www.heraldique-europeenne.org/
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Nov 30, 2005 14:52:15 GMT -6
I know I'm not part of the College officially, but maybe I'm more interested than I thought.
The Duke's crown is more ornate than the Count's, but should the Count's rays be higher than the Duke's leaves? I think it is generally held that the higher the ornaments, the higher the position.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 2, 2005 9:24:03 GMT -6
Sam -
Good point. I've lowered the pearls in the Count's coronet (above).
Still working on the Duke's...
Trotxâ
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 6, 2005 3:38:42 GMT -6
My Lords and Fellow Heralds - Attached herein are the three proposed coronets for our Nobles, as updated per your suggestions. Please send your comments and thoughts. -- Jaune Sabre For the Dukes (leaves only): A golden circlet with 8 leaves with pearls alternating with 8 points (5 and 4 visible), with 4 mounted sapphires (2 visible) and 4 mounted rubies (3 visible). For the Counts (pearls, shorter stems): A golden circlet with 8 pearls (5 visible) raised on rays, with 4 mounted emeralds (3 visible) each separated by 6 garnet studs 2 and 3. For the Barons (no so boring, one hopes): A silver circlet with 4 points (3 visible) each topped with a fleur-de-lis..
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 6, 2005 23:41:04 GMT -6
Not to be too cynical, but wasn't the fleur-de-lis a mark given to those to be executed under the French feudalism?
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 7, 2005 0:25:32 GMT -6
Sam -
I've not heard that. It could be that it was used to mark Royalists during the French Revolution.
Anyone else hear this?
Trotxa
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 7, 2005 0:36:53 GMT -6
Sorry, that was from a movie. On looking further into it, I think you're right. It was very much used as a mark of the royalists and according to my source, was not French in origin. There's a good site that has a good overview. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis
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