[Chancery] Rules and Registrations December 2019 GE

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Dec 8, 2019 14:01:13 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

The easy thing to do is just reappoint her to the seat when she loses it. It'll take 5 minutes.

Would that not require a special election with the 55th Cosa, i.e. knocking 2 Cosas off Amada's term as well?

From what I can tell from the King's emails, he is currently strongly leaning towards simply instructing the SoS to abide by the King's interpretation of the Law. I don't know if he can do that but I'm not planning to try to stop him. And if the SoS stands his ground and insists on the other interpretation, the knighthood route is next preference, but the King would prefer not to cheapen the Orders in this way.

Bottom line, the King respects Amada's democratic mandate and would prefer she just wait till April to vote, if at all legally possible.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Dec 8, 2019 14:56:24 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Dec 8, 2019 14:01:13 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

The easy thing to do is just reappoint her to the seat when she loses it. It'll take 5 minutes.

Would that not require a special election with the 55th Cosa, i.e. knocking 2 Cosas off Amada's term as well?

From what I can tell from the King's emails, he is currently strongly leaning towards simply instructing the SoS to abide by the King's interpretation of the Law. I don't know if he can do that but I'm not planning to try to stop him. And if the SoS stands his ground and insists on the other interpretation, the knighthood route is next preference, but the King would prefer not to cheapen the Orders in this way.

Bottom line, the King respects Amada's democratic mandate and would prefer she just wait till April to vote, if at all legally possible.

That would be ideal. I'm working on one possible solution that wouldn't also keep one citizen in particular in the country.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

In the meantime, I would appreciate suggestions on an OrgLaw amendment (to the post-Still Into This text) which would obviate this problem in future - make it clear that a Senator who is elected though unqualified through length of citizenship will not be expelled due to failure to vote until their "waiting period" is up.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Org.IV.10
"If a Senator vacates his or her seat before the end of the term, the executive of the province shall appoint a Senator to sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term."

Problem solved. It requires two elections and an appointment, but a high bar is probably good for this circumstance. No time actually lost from the term - she just has to be appointed and reelected to finish it.

[Lüc da Schir]

Dec 8, 2019 15:37:38 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Org.IV.10
"If a Senator vacates his or her seat before the end of the term, the executive of the province shall appoint a Senator to sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term."

Problem solved. It requires two elections and an appointment, but a high bar is probably good for this circumstance. No time actually lost from the term - she just has to be appointed and reelected to finish it.

But that's basically what we do now, except that you also allow for special elections inbetween two Cosa elections.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

You know, I was more thinking about (references made to the Still Into This version):

A Senator vacates his seat if he fails to vote on two consecutive Clarks for any reason other than the provisions of Section 2 above, or if he resigns from office, loses his citizenship or dies.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Dec 7, 2019 16:27:03 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Glüc da Dhi presumably wants to see a full discussion of the merits before he makes up his mind.

You're not wrong about that.

I'm grateful to Miestrâ for starting this discussion. Will read everything carefully before "deciding". (Knowing that if your prediction is right the CpI will decide in the end anyway)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Dec 8, 2019 16:10:00 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

Dec 8, 2019 15:37:38 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Org.IV.10
"If a Senator vacates his or her seat before the end of the term, the executive of the province shall appoint a Senator to sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term."

Problem solved. It requires two elections and an appointment, but a high bar is probably good for this circumstance. No time actually lost from the term - she just has to be appointed and reelected to finish it.

But that's basically what we do now, except that you also allow for special elections inbetween two Cosa elections.

Yeah, I just quoted from the OrgLaw.

The easiest way through this is also the one without dangerous precedent. She'll lose her seat, get appointed back to it, and stand for election again. No mess and no fuss, unless in the meantime she loses the confidence of her province. And we don't have to worry about trying to parse out different meanings for "fail" beyond the obvious or popping knighthoods on anyone for two months' span.

Then legislators can argue out whether or not we actually want to make this thing easier (which we shouldn't, really).

[Glüc da Dhi]

I have trying to figure out the intentions of the author at the time (which to me appears to be Baron Fritz rather than his Majesty)
wiki.talossa.com/An_Act_Modifying_Eligibility_to_the_Senate , but so far I have been unsuccessful at this. I'm curious whether someone can find some explanation or discussiona about this that I missed.


Without this information and having read the arguments here I'm leaning towards the interpretation that the senator will lose her seat after the second clark.