Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 26, 2019 17:14:54 GMT -6
¡Azul!
As previously mentioned, I have decided to send out a survey to all Talossan citizens to gauge public feeling on what they think of current levels of activity in Talossa, and how they could be improved.
I have already sent out the survey to all those who have "opted in" to emails from party leaders, and asked the SoS to send it out to all those who accept Chancery emails.
If you don't receive an email, or you don't want to wait for it, please contact me directly and I'll send you a link to the survey by private message or email. (I'm not putting it out publicly because I only want Talossan citizens filling it in - or, perhaps, former citizens who are still interested.)
I'm planning on keeping this survey open for one month. All responses will be anonymous so feel free to put "The Seneschál is a weasel" as your answer to all questions if you feel you have to.
Questions, comments?
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jun 26, 2019 20:50:09 GMT -6
I understand what you were going for, but asking whether Talossa should have more political activity generally and whether Talossa should be a Republic in the same question makes that question double-barreled.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 26, 2019 21:03:54 GMT -6
I understand what you were going for, but asking whether Talossa should have more political activity generally and whether Talossa should be a Republic in the same question makes that question double-barreled. Well, it was counterposed to the idea that becoming more of an absolute monarchy would mean less politics. If I can, I'll alter the wording slightly.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 27, 2019 15:34:22 GMT -6
Well, it was counterposed to the idea that becoming more of an absolute monarchy would mean less politics. Well that part of the question seems leading as well. I would expect people who might prefer less politics otherwise to fill in something else because they don't support an absolute monarchy. I also think it might be better to allow multiple answers on question 3 and to make the talossa is no longer fun answer less absolute. I imagine few people who bother to fill in the census would find Talossa no longer fun or interesting at all, but some might find it less fun/interesting and therefore feel less motivated to spend time on it (often in combination with a busy non-Talossan life).
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 27, 2019 15:40:27 GMT -6
Anyway, before I send this (I won't have time to do it now anyway, because it all needs to be done manually) some questions
Should we have more clear rules about when the chancery should use its database to email government messages? Now it seems like no rules exist, which also makes me wonder when sending emails from King/government/provinces is appropriate, especially in the absence of any legal mandate.
Is it legal/appropriate to use the party leader email database outside elections/for non party reasons?
Is it wise to send this from the chancery account so shortly after we've already accidentally spammed everyone with an outdated census multiple times? (Again, apologies for that, I really hope it ends soon. At least it registers who answered so it should still count against losing citizenship.)
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 27, 2019 16:05:51 GMT -6
I really wish people who had great ideas for how this survey should operate had given me input when I asked for it weeks ago. All I got was the RUMP leader just mocking me for even putting the survey out in the first place.
As to your questions: it seems to me obvious that the Government should be able to send messages to all citizens (or at least all citizens who haven't opted out), for non-party political purposes only. (IMHO the need for this is much greater than the need for party leaders to spam potential voters.) If we need a law to make that happen, let's make that happen.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 27, 2019 19:08:59 GMT -6
How could anyone possibly have commented and helped with the questions? We only saw them today when you sent out the survey.
How could anyone possibly have suggested a better time to send it? We only found out it was coming after you sent it.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 27, 2019 19:27:51 GMT -6
THE RUMP LITANY: Everything this Government ever does, ever, is ill-thought-out, dictatorial, nasty or illegal. But if the Government asks for input before doing it, they are trying to shirk responsibility, or didn't ask the right way / at the right time.
There is only so often that blanket, bad-faith trashing of everything this Government does can happen before the voters just turn off and relegate you to permanent opposition. Oh wait, they already have.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 27, 2019 19:53:13 GMT -6
THE RUMP LITANY: Everything this Government ever does, ever, is ill-thought-out, dictatorial, nasty or illegal. But if the Government asks for input before doing it, they are trying to shirk responsibility, or didn't ask the right way / at the right time. There is only so often that blanket, bad-faith trashing of everything this Government does can happen before the voters just turn off and relegate you to permanent opposition. Oh wait, they already have. That's a really weird and nasty response to an extremely mild criticism. We could not make suggestions about the survey because we didn't see it or know about it before it happened. That is not my fault. It is also not a huge deal. You always seem to be responding to some dialog with me that is happening inside your own head.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jun 27, 2019 19:56:51 GMT -6
THE RUMP LITANY: Everything this Government ever does, ever, is ill-thought-out, dictatorial, nasty or illegal. But if the Government asks for input before doing it, they are trying to shirk responsibility, or didn't ask the right way / at the right time. There is only so often that blanket, bad-faith trashing of everything this Government does can happen before the voters just turn off and relegate you to permanent opposition. Oh wait, they already have. OK, you and I both have our issues with the RUMP, but it's starting to seem like you don't pause for a second anymore before accusing them of bad faith any time they say *anything*. AD has a point (that there was no way to critique the questions before the survey was sent out because they were not released) and you blew right over it to your typical talking points. Now, your talking points are correct sometimes, but not this time. On a slightly different note, you in fact asked for comments at the top of this thread, so when people make comments, please don't complain about how they should have been made sooner (especially when making comments sooner was not possible). At some point people might figure that its easier to not contribute at all if they draw heat for not contributing in just the right way.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 28, 2019 1:07:52 GMT -6
We could not make suggestions about the survey because we didn't see it or know about it before it happened. Liar.Liar.Pants on fire.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jun 28, 2019 1:12:18 GMT -6
She may or may not have announced in-full the questions for the survey in advance, but she let everyone know in plenty of time it was incoming.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 28, 2019 5:09:07 GMT -6
Of course she let us know that she planned on doing this. Litz suggested it in the immediate aftermath of the election, and there was general agreement was a good idea. And the Seneschal posted a whole thread about how she was planning on doing this.
But so far people have just gently pointed out that maybe this wasn't the best time to do it, after all the fake census emails, and that one of the questions was pretty flawed. And since we didn't know the time she was going to send it or any of the questions ahead of time, it was impossible for us to point this out ahead of time (like she is saying she wished had happened). Ian and Gluc weren't being jerks... They weren't maliciously refusing to provide feedback beforehand so that they could criticize now.
I do not understand why the reaction has to be some big fit. There are small problems with the survey that people politely pointed out. It's okay to say, "Hey, you're right." This stuff just is not that big of a deal and it's not worth this weird nastiness.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jun 28, 2019 11:41:31 GMT -6
'Fake' census emails, of course, were due to a coding error. Not a big deal to me. As for timing, who cares? The questions were benign (save #7) enough to not warrant worry.
As to the nastiness, the root of all that is the war for the soul of Talossa that began the day Ben & Amy left in August 2005. The public face of this little scuffle has improved mightily since Reunision (yay for all sides on this), but I think you and I are well aware that, even with the elaborate hoops the Republic gave for the Kingdom to jump through, which the Kingdom jumped through, when no-one else is looking, Reunision-of-hearts-and-minds has never really taken place.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 28, 2019 15:17:20 GMT -6
As to the nastiness, the root of all that is the war for the soul of Talossa that began the day Ben & Amy left in August 2005. The public face of this little scuffle has improved mightily since Reunision (yay for all sides on this), but I think you and I are well aware that, even with the elaborate hoops the Republic gave for the Kingdom to jump through, which the Kingdom jumped through, when no-one else is looking, Reunision-of-hearts-and-minds has never really taken place. I'm not entirely sure that I agree with your reasoning, GV, but I would agree with the last phrase. And that, in my opinion, is due to the fact that some Talossans - perhaps including the RUMP leader, perhaps also including many formerly-active citizens who were prominent in the era of RUMP political dominance - think that the 2005-11 Kingdom was just fine and everything's gone downhill since the likes of us came back. All I can do is repeat that a nine-term one-party government which had an absolute majority only during the era in which the anti-democratic "public ballot" was in force - a majority which disappeared the very election the secret ballot became an option - is not a fit object for nostalgia, IMHO. I'm sure many of its cultural initiatives (which I might have considered puerile in the traditional Latin sense of the word, i.e. "pertaining to boys") are sincerely missed by many citizens. Personally, I consider democracy a greater prize. I've said before, this is like Russians nostalgic for Stalinism. No, wait, it's like former Communist Party leaders being nostalgia for Stalinism.
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