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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on May 25, 2019 11:19:36 GMT -6
I understand the intent here, but I don't agree with the approach.
I value both privacy and solitude, and spamming inactive citizens (yeah, that's how I'd perceive this as a recipient) will generate more irritation than interest.
If Talossa were a pleasant distraction from everyday stress, people would come to stay, or visit frequently. But it's not that place -- at least not reliably -- and our politics and personalities have seen to that.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on May 28, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -6
Then this itself demonstrates that the PCIA is lacking in areas. But wouldn't it also make the laws allowing party leaders sending emails redundant too? And how would this affect people who (like me) have opted to allow party leaders to see their full email addresses? Since it is the same system being used for this bill, would this mean that I've opted to allow my email address be put on a public list? Or would it mean the Chancery would have to overhaul their current system? I'd be happy to sponsor such a change to the PCIA. This bill would make the laws allowing party leaders to send emails redundant, which is why this bill would delete them. This bill would not prevent the Chancery from making full emails public if citizens consented, but the public list would have only aliased emails. The Chancery would not have to overhaul their system because all citizens already have an aliased address (some just aren't activated) and there is already a mechanism to display them. No, although I'd be happy to amend the bill to make this possible. Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. , Glüc da Dhi , would this be technically feasible? Someone who received an email could respond to the sender in various ways other than email (primarily Witt I imagine) than would preserve their privacy). Not everyone has been a citizen for as long as you have or is as well connected as you. But also, all of the examples you give are about conducting official business, which is not the main purpose of this bill (which is to get people in touch who have similar interests when they don't already have a way to get connected). Besides, it should be apparent by whose emails are available who has opted out. While it would be possible to send newsletters, it is not the goal, and if there is a good way to prevent people from sending mail to too many recipients at one time I would be very interested. If the option to opt-in was included on every ballot and census then I would consider making it opt-in. However, I fear that voters would not understand what the program is for or how it would work (given that many legislators did not understand what it was for or how it would work).
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on May 28, 2019 11:51:48 GMT -6
I value both privacy and solitude, and spamming inactive citizens (yeah, that's how I'd perceive this as a recipient) will generate more irritation than interest. If someone felt that way, it would be easy to opt out. This program is supposed to make it easier for people to hear about things that are not political. The only emails people can get now are political mailers (which can often be unpleasant).
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on May 28, 2019 14:41:43 GMT -6
The chancery has created alias email addresses before, but they dont work. If people really want to I guess I could ask mpf to have a look at that, but I would really strongly advise against repealing the existing provisions to allow access to party leaders and provincial officers, because then if the alias idea doen't work out we end up with nothing.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on May 29, 2019 11:42:44 GMT -6
The chancery has created alias email addresses before, but they dont work. If people really want to I guess I could ask mpf to have a look at that, but I would really strongly advise against repealing the existing provisions to allow access to party leaders and provincial officers, because then if the alias idea doen't work out we end up with nothing. They don't work? That ruins this entire plan
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 1, 2019 20:56:00 GMT -6
Ok, so if the Chancery cloaking system doesn't work reliably, then I agree the system has to be opt-in.
How would people feel about creating another category of email accessibility that allowed all citizens to see the email address (or a masked version of it if the system is working). If Gluc already directs all new citizens there, and only thirteen people do not have privacy settings set (a number I was pleasantly surprised by) then such a system should work pretty well.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 26, 2019 19:15:31 GMT -6
I have made substantial edits to the bill that I believe will make it much more acceptable to its critics. I would like to Clark this for August if possible, so swift feedback would be appreciated.
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Jul 28, 2019 12:20:00 GMT -6
I like these changes and now support the bill.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 28, 2019 15:25:35 GMT -6
If the Minister of STUFF supports the new version, that's good enough for me too; but I'll want to consult the Free Democrat caucus as well.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jul 31, 2019 10:19:50 GMT -6
I have not discussed this with the database admin. If it passes I cannot really guarantee this will be implemented by next election.
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