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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Feb 9, 2019 22:42:37 GMT -6
Are you suggesting Iarneriâ as a name for the fused province? Yes. If a better name can be found, then great. :-)
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Feb 9, 2019 22:49:39 GMT -6
According to the 6th Edition of the Book of Names, Flo's name is Floretziâ Iàrni.
The name of the new province could be Iàrnia :-).
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Feb 10, 2019 14:15:36 GMT -6
According to the 6th Edition of the Book of Names, Flo's name is Floretziâ Iàrni. The name of the new province could be Iàrnia :-). If you want trolls to permanently know us as "Narnia", fine, but I have no interested in being known as the White Witch.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Feb 11, 2019 7:34:46 GMT -6
According to the 6th Edition of the Book of Names, Flo's name is Floretziâ Iàrni. The name of the new province could be Iàrnia :-). If you want trolls to permanently know us as "Narnia", fine, but I have no interested in being known as the White Witch. In all seriousness, consider my idea withdrawn. I had not considered that angle, alas.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Apr 1, 2019 20:11:35 GMT -6
WHEREAS Fiova's internal democracy has ground to a total halt; and that of the fellow riverside province of Florencia is not much better;
AND WHEREAS the Governor of Florencia, Mximo Carbonél, has proposed that our two provinces merge;
AND WHEREAS why the hell not, presuming that the terms are good;
AND WHEREAS OrgLaw XVII:6.7 gives the power over creating new Provinces to the ZiuBE IT ENACTED by the King, Cosa and Senäts of Talossa in Ziu assembled that:1. The Free Province of Fiôva and the Province of Florencia shall be replaced by a single Province comprising the cantons of Florencia, Cuféir and Las Inaltáns Maxhéstici. 2. This law shall come into effect upon the agreement between the Provincial Governments of Fiôva and Florencia upon a Constitution of the merged province, which shall include a name for the new Province, and the approval of that Constitution by a majority of the citizens of both Provinces (separately and jointly) in referendum. Keen to Clark this!
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 1, 2019 20:19:54 GMT -6
Shouldn't this go to referendum in each province? Seems like the people of those provinces should have a say in this. I'm not sure there will be much opposition, actually, but it would feel weird to start merging provinces based mostly on the assent of governments that nearly don't exist.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Apr 1, 2019 20:24:33 GMT -6
Shouldn't this go to referendum in each province? Seems like the people of those provinces should have a say in this. I'm not sure there will be much opposition, actually, but it would feel weird to start merging provinces based mostly on the assent of governments that nearly don't exist. Well, yeah, the text of the bill says it only takes effect after such a referendum.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 1, 2019 20:30:02 GMT -6
Oh, you're right. I see. The governments propose the constitution and then the people approve it? Maybe some minor clarifying language to indicate that voters would be approving not just the constitution, but the idea as a whole? As it stands, this would seem to say that multiple referendums could be conducted.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Apr 2, 2019 5:27:20 GMT -6
If the citizens of those provinces want this then I would support it.
Word of warning, though. It is probable that the Crown will veto this. That's not to say the King wouldn't be supportive of the Act eventually, however, in the past, I believe, the Crown has vetoed the national parliament's ability to meddle in provincial affairs in the first instance. I think the Crown would prefer that the local referendums be conducted first and then a bill brought before the Ziu once a mandate for the motion has been achieved in the provinces. A view I also hold.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Apr 2, 2019 15:04:31 GMT -6
If the citizens of those provinces want this then I would support it. Word of warning, though. It is probable that the Crown will veto this. That's not to say the King wouldn't be supportive of the Act eventually, however, in the past, I believe, the Crown has vetoed the national parliament's ability to meddle in provincial affairs in the first instance. I think the Crown would prefer that the local referendums be conducted first and then a bill brought before the Ziu once a mandate for the motion has been achieved in the provinces. A view I also hold. You'd think so, wouldn't you? But OrgLaw XVII.5 clearly states: The OrgLaw clearly states that the Ziu has primacy over the question of provincial borders. Therefore, it would be a huge waste of time for the Provinces to vote for a union under a joint Government, and then for the Ziu bill authorising that union to be rejected/vetoed. Best for the Ziu to give its consent first; given that the merger will never go ahead unless approved by referendums in both provinces. I wonder whether the honorable Member has heard anything from the King or is just guessing.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Apr 2, 2019 15:12:57 GMT -6
If the citizens of those provinces want this then I would support it. Word of warning, though. It is probable that the Crown will veto this. That's not to say the King wouldn't be supportive of the Act eventually, however, in the past, I believe, the Crown has vetoed the national parliament's ability to meddle in provincial affairs in the first instance. I think the Crown would prefer that the local referendums be conducted first and then a bill brought before the Ziu once a mandate for the motion has been achieved in the provinces. A view I also hold. You'd think so, wouldn't you? But OrgLaw XVII.5 clearly states: The OrgLaw clearly states that the Ziu has primacy over the question of provincial borders. Therefore, it would be a huge waste of time for the Provinces to vote for a union under a joint Government, and then for the Ziu bill authorising that union to be rejected/vetoed. Best for the Ziu to give its consent first; given that the merger will never go ahead unless approved by referendums in both provinces. I wonder whether the honorable Member has heard anything from the King or is just guessing. A bit of guessing, a bit of experience. Vuode's constitution was vetoed by the King. I need to look back for exact details on how it went down, but the gist was that the King didn't think the Ziu had any say in the matter and it was entirely up to the province to enact the constitution. *could* be read either way. Chicken or egg?
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Post by Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on Apr 2, 2019 15:57:59 GMT -6
Firstly, there's a typo in the draft bill:
Art XVII, Sec 6, 7 refers to the Ziu's powers with regards to "Postal, telegraphic, telephonic, radio, television, internet, and other like services;", I think the one you intend on quoting is 19 instead of 7.
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My reading is that whilst Vuode's constitution is indeed a matter for Vuode alone and not the Ziu, provincial territories are not provincial constitutions, so the Ziu does have a say. Also, it doesn't matter which way you mix the ingredients - so long as you have them all there.
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