Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001 
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on May 10, 2017 20:15:45 GMT -6
You made me do this  ... Godwins Law. Government leaders wearing badges is not equatable to the police of New York, but more like Qaddafi with his militant chest pins, badges and ribbons. Parliament members wearing ribbons is not equatable to military service, but more like National Socialist German Workers' Party members wearing a particularly designed band on their arms while all sitting in parliament chambers. This is the image perception problem I'm talking about. It is common practice that whoever brings up Hitler first loses the argument automatically (see "reductio ad hitlerum")  The analogy is not great anyway, since NSDAP armbands were inherently political, while the proposed ribbons would be awarded for service under any party. Also, ribbons have plenty of non-military applications; just go to any state fair. However, I am becoming convinced that many of these awards are too shallow. Basically, what this bill does is create resumes in ribbon form. Admittedly, a ribbon resume would look a lot cooler than my resume does right now, but I am not sure that wearing it around everywhere is the correct way to go. I will be thinking of possible improvements and other ideas, though, since I do agree with mpf that we should do something (I just don't know what it is yet). |
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Post by Eðo Grischun on May 11, 2017 6:55:23 GMT -6
You made me do this ... Godwins Law. Government leaders wearing badges is not equatable to the police of New York, but more like Qaddafi with his militant chest pins, badges and ribbons. Parliament members wearing ribbons is not equatable to military service, but more like National Socialist German Workers' Party members wearing a particularly designed band on their arms while all sitting in parliament chambers. This is the image perception problem I'm talking about. It is common practice that whoever brings up Hitler first loses the argument automatically (see "reductio ad hitlerum") Cool. I didn't actually mention his name first ... But, you just did  Yep. My analogy does suck. I'm well aware that there are millions of safe and friendly applications for such a thing, but I'm concerned that if we introduce it to the National functions of State then we: A) cheapen what it means to hold these offices, B) create a negative image perception problem with leaders of the nation appearing militant, C) turn elections into a pin and ribbon waving contests, couple this with changes to IRV and STV and we now have a game of rank the x-factor contestants (I'm less concerned about B than I am with A and C.) I agree with all that. We should be doing something, yes. I'd like to hear MPFs thoughts again, now that we've all let this sink in for a few days. |
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Ián Tamorán S.H.
Chief Justice of the Uppermost Court
Proud Philosopher of Talossa
Posts: 1,401
Talossan Since: 9-27-2010
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on May 11, 2017 15:01:08 GMT -6
.... Listen, I am at least TRYING something. This is the 50th Cosa!!!! NO ONE is doing ANYTHING
Similarly, a first-year citizen displays an H (for Hydrogen), a second year He, and so on. Boron, Neon, Phosphorus, Calcium, etc., can be thought to have special meanings (if you like the number 5). Personally I prefer the sequence H, He, Li, B, O, Al, Sc ... you can tell I'm a mathematician. In any case, it's just one pin, which everybody has - and all it shows is how long you have been a citizen (the best thing money can't buy).
Egalité! Fraternité! What do you Sé!? |
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on May 12, 2017 12:43:04 GMT -6
I'd like to hear MPFs thoughts again, now that we've all let this sink in for a few days. Well, honestly, I am not that attached to any of the particular ribbons, except for the 2 citizenship ones, and I am not attached to ANY of the pins. We can drop ALL of the pins except for a few exceptional ones (like the dandelions, the people who signed the Republic independence [which does not include me BTW], very long service pins... ) The legislative one is obviously too much... But I do think that having served as Seneschal and many of the other pivotal roles (SoS, minister of Stuff, of Immigration, Scribe of Abbavilla, Senator), should have a ribbon... Does it make us look militant? What if it does a little! We have a military! We are proud of being Talossans! So what? |
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Ián Tamorán S.H.
Chief Justice of the Uppermost Court
Proud Philosopher of Talossa
Posts: 1,401
Talossan Since: 9-27-2010
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on May 16, 2017 6:46:22 GMT -6
... Does it make us look militant? What if it does a little! We have a military! We are proud of being Talossans! So what?
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Iac Marscheir
Citizen of Talossa
yak marsh air
Posts: 782
Talossan Since: 12-3-2016
Baron Since: Qet Miestra tent zirada.
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Post by Iac Marscheir on May 16, 2017 7:53:31 GMT -6
... Does it make us look militant? What if it does a little! We have a military! We are proud of being Talossans! So what?
Yeah, that kinda takes the place of flipping the bird, doesn't it. |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on May 19, 2017 15:04:41 GMT -6
Oooooh, I think we have a new all-Talossan idiom for “flipping the bird”: turning around the flag rapidly
storschar* el drapéu or storschar el bicoloreu
*storschar comes from Rhaeto-Romance storscher. Why? Because, while we have a word for reversing, we do not have one that means “(to) turn over rapidly”. As the Scúrzniă Gramátică (or the Dictionary, I forgot) states, if new words are to be created, Rhaeto-Romance words should be among the languages to be given priority.
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Iac Marscheir
Citizen of Talossa
yak marsh air
Posts: 782
Talossan Since: 12-3-2016
Baron Since: Qet Miestra tent zirada.
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Post by Iac Marscheir on May 20, 2017 7:22:19 GMT -6
Oooooh, I think we have a new all-Talossan idiom for “flipping the bird”: turning around the flag rapidlystorschar* el drapéu or storschar el bicoloreu* storschar comes from Rhaeto-Romance storscher. Why? Because, while we have a word for reversing, we do not have one that means “(to) turn over rapidly”. As the Scúrzniă Gramátică (or the Dictionary, I forgot) states, if new words are to be created, Rhaeto-Romance words should be among the languages to be given priority. Good idea, I like it. But I think this is better: Levitarh el zemi roxh (To lift the red half) It sounds a little more idiomatic to me. I could be just over-inflating my already astronomically large ego, though. Optionally, you could add "del Bicoloréu" to the end. Levitarh el zemi roxh del Bicoloréu, to lift the red half of the Flag. |
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Post by Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu on Jun 9, 2017 20:43:03 GMT -6
OK... we've gotten WAY over board on this. Let's look to a more simpler model... in order of precedence -
National Honours
(MoH, Legion of Valour, Legion of Merit)
Titles
(Baron, Lord, Knight, Etc)
Military & Civil Service Honours
(Precedence can be mixed, US has done it for decades)
Baseline Citizen Honours
(Citizen's Medal, Provincial Honors)
*Citizen Medal is silver naturalized, gold for natural born/Dandelion*
NO ribbions/medals/bows/etc for things like passing bills, that's our damn job! *lol* I wish I got ribbions for showing up (Note: Statement is in good nature, just making a point)
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... Godwins Law. Government leaders wearing badges is not equatable to the police of New York, but more like Qaddafi with his militant chest pins, badges and ribbons. Parliament members wearing ribbons is not equatable to military service, but more like National Socialist German Workers' Party members wearing a particularly designed band on their arms while all sitting in parliament chambers. This is the image perception problem I'm talking about.
