Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Nov 16, 2016 13:38:52 GMT -6
Fellow citizens of Vuode -
I'm pleased to announce my candidacy for the Senate seat of Vuode as a Free Democrat.
I understand this comes a little late in the game, but a vibrant democracy always needs challengers, and it behooves me to ensure that Vuode is getting a Senator that they voted for in a contested election.
As your Senator, I promise to be accessible to every one of my constitutes, and to consider the desire of our province;
As your Senator, I promise to work to bring life to areas of Talossa and Vuode that have suffered from neglect, primarily in the judiciary;
As your Senator, I pledge to help wake Vuode up and to help wake Talossa up;
and as your Senator, I promise to finally bring a vote on the question that has long been debated in Talossa - should the monarchy be abolished.
Fellow citizens, I ask you to support my candidacy for Senate. When you vote- vote for Vuode; vote for V.
Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Nov 23, 2016 9:50:29 GMT -6
I'm not sure I'm the best choice for a moderator, given that I'm the leader of the party that nominated one of the candidates. Perhaps someone with a reputation for nonpartisanship, like S:reu Anglatzara? Or the candidates could just agree to a format where they provide opening and closing statements and ask each other a certain number of questions. Formal moderation may not be necessary (and could just slow things down).
"We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat.
They do not exist." — Queen Victoria
I'd rather not. No offense to you, but you jumped in only after I did (that is, Sir T had declared his candidacy for some time). Not to mention, the actual number seems highly suspicious.
I will, however, make one exception. I will agree to debate you only if you commit to bringing an up-or-down vote on abolishing the monarchy. It's truly time we got rid of this abomination.
Your announcing your candidacy leading to spurring me into activity should be seen as the positive that is was. Your increased activity following Sir T's increased activity led to me wanting to increase my activity. You both proved to me that the Province is not dead and that my throwing in the towel was the wrong course of action.
Highly suspicious in what way? Are you accusing that skulduggery was afoot in regards to this election result? Just wondering what you mean by your comment.
I obviously don't support abolishing the monarchy and would vote against abolishing the Crown, but I don't have a problem bringing the matter before the citizenry in some form of referendum question (a straight yes/no type question, as you desire, is fine). The answer to all constitutional questions should be made by the general population and not a select few politicians.
Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Dec 2, 2016 8:58:44 GMT -6
That's a bit revisionist, no? Sir T had announced his candidacy for some time, and you seemed okay with that prospect. But when I jumped in, suddenly you had an issue. So you'll excuse me if I'm not buying this idea that Sir T and I inspired you to increase your activity as the primary purpose for you becoming a candidate.
As to my contention with the election result, talossa.proboards.com/thread/11875/demand-transparency-vote-recount-vuode?page=1&scrollTo=148821 already details my concerns. But to tl;dr - my question with two of the votes you received comes down to: (1) were they cast pre-Nov. 25; (2) if yes, were they cast for you, RUMP, or Sir T; and (3) if they were cast for RUMP or Sir T, were they then applied to you once Sir T dropped out and then you received an official endorsement on Nov 25 or were they allowed to vote again?
Finally, I appreciate your willingness to bring an up-or-down vote on the issue of the monarchy. That, along with judicial reform, are my two primary issues.
Sir, if the results are proper and you are the Senator of the United Provinces, then I will accept those results. I think the people made a mistake, in both this race (to borrow your wording, I believe you'll make a lousy Senator), and on the national level, voters favored status quo without much care for how that is hurting Talossa. But I will work with you, even if it is obvious that you only entered the race because I did when you stated you had no desire, which makes it personal, and that you continue to support the institution of the monarchy, which continues to tarnish our national identity.
Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 2, 2016 11:08:25 GMT -6
Take it whatever way you want, V, but the truth of the matter is I got fairly excited when I seen you come back. Yes, I had no desire to take part before that. I thought it pointless to be the Senator for what was virtually a ghost town. Then you all came back. At first a campaign against Sir T seemed silly. Plus, I was too bored to run. Then when the idea of the old 3-way came into play I thought it would be loads of fun to run. I then thought the heavy presence of you, me and T would perhaps even tickle some of the newer people to pipe up. Yeah, it was personal, V, but you've got it wholly back to front if you think it was negative. Please, get over whatever personal problems you think still exist between us. Mistakes of the past. I'm truly glad to see you back.
Those concerns over the election seem valid enough. I reckon I would ask the same questions if I was in your position. I'm sure the validation procedure will determine which way the votes really tally. I will accept whatever the official result comes in to be.
I have an ideological belief when it comes to Talossa being a constitutional Monarchy. I will debate this at great length when the time comes. That said, there are elements of the Crown and the Crown's powers that could be vastly improved upon. I'm open to discussing it and will not oppose the holding of a referendum on the matter.
Last Edit: Dec 2, 2016 11:11:18 GMT -6 by Eðo Grischun: Sorry, wrote your real name
The Right Honourable Éovart Grischun Minister of the Interior
Party Leader of the Peculiar Nationalist Party (PNP)
I support the idea of the “United Provinces of Maritiimi-Maxhestic, Vuode, and Dandenburg”.