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Post by Colonel Mximo Carbonèl on Mar 11, 2016 16:26:34 GMT -6
Florencians people are waiting for a new Governement... May the King ask The Constable to do her work and name a new Governor...
The King should protect Talossans citenzens rather than those leaving
Talossa as survive to anybody for 36th years even her founder.
Mximo
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 11, 2016 16:53:58 GMT -6
I should say I was making a general point about public renunciation. MT Patriz da Biondeu also sprang to my mind. A lot of it is about settling scores or blowing things up on the way out, and I don't think we should ennoble it.
As far as the d'Aurìbuérgs go, I dont know them, and I have no idea of their motivations. However I think there are two ways of quitting Talossa, the classy way and the other way. Perhaps by inadvertance, or not, they kind of went the other way. In any event they made the job of people trying to heal the divisions a bit harder, so it was not well done, if social peace was their wish.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 11, 2016 17:34:45 GMT -6
Telling the rest of us off for being "ungenerous" to Pól's renunciation when you actually claimed that Admiral Tim engineered his own renunciation to cover up for a dastardly plan to wreck your own life is... lacking in insight. I very deliberately did not say such a thing about Tim, because if I did and it turned out not to be true, it would have been needlessly hurtful and cruel. I try not to make reckless accusations like that, even to someone who has been as publicly vicious (indeed, way beyond the pale) as Tim. Instead, when you wrote me to ask whether or not I knew if a RUMPer was responsible for the attack on Tim, I mentioned my situation and my suspicions only after writing explicitly at the beginning of that paragraph, "Keeping this STRICTLY BETWEEN US WITH NO HINT OR RUMOR (sorry for the caps, but this needs to be absolute)." You appear to have misunderstood that, since you told Tim and now you're announcing it publicly. But I think it's fairly clear I absolutely did not want to sow distrust or malice by throwing around those sorts of accusations without evidence, even if some miscommunication made you think it was okay to disclose my confidence (which is what I suspect must have happened, since you probably wouldn't deliberately do that). But I'm done here. Like I said before, I don't want another sprawling, grudge-filled fight. I don't think I'm going to change your mind. I hope you have a good day, Dama Miestra. FFS, if he didn't point fingers just let it go. OK? There are more probable interpretations of what they meant and less probable ones, but they didn't actually accuse anyone. Just let it go. A thousand times this.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 11, 2016 20:42:12 GMT -6
*sigh* Well, I'll just leave this here because I don't delete the evidence:
But dear God almighty, I don't want to fight any more. I don't want to dread having to participate in Talossa. This sucks balls, and all shades of political discourse are partly responsible for helping poison the water. ALL, you hear me.
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Post by Iason Bitxichë Taiwos on Mar 12, 2016 0:11:28 GMT -6
Pôl and Audrada, becoming citizens two months after I did, had vast experience and pleasure in the pre-Reunision days. I personally can barely recall those days, but I imagine they were glorious and we all ran thru sunny golden fields holding hands. Then these nefarious Republicans entered. Damn their black coweled awfulness. Honestly? Fuck 'em. Good riddance to fair weather Talossans.
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Citizen and Governor of Florencia; His Highness, Prince Patrick, Duke of Florencia
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Post by Prince Patrick on Mar 12, 2016 13:22:23 GMT -6
Pôl and Audrada, becoming citizens two months after I did, had vast experience and pleasure in the pre-Reunision days. I personally can barely recall those days, but I imagine they were glorious and we all ran thru sunny golden fields holding hands. Then these nefarious Republicans entered. Damn their black coweled awfulness. Honestly? Fuck 'em. Good riddance to fair weather Talossans. That is totally the kind of love-filled rhetoric I'd like to expose children to. Please see the guidelines.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Mar 12, 2016 13:53:20 GMT -6
Pôl and Audrada, becoming citizens two months after I did, had vast experience and pleasure in the pre-Reunision days. I personally can barely recall those days, but I imagine they were glorious and we all ran thru sunny golden fields holding hands. Then these nefarious Republicans entered. Damn their black coweled awfulness. Honestly? Fuck 'em. Good riddance to fair weather Talossans. That is totally the kind of love-filled rhetoric I'd like to expose children to. Please see the guidelines. O, please! They are going to learn these words one way or another. Furthermore, citizens participating here are considered adults under Talossan jurisdiction, therefore your argument does not hold up.
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Post by Iason Bitxichë Taiwos on Mar 12, 2016 14:01:51 GMT -6
I'm more shocked at the phrases "love filled" and "expose children to" this soon after Canungate
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Mar 12, 2016 14:27:02 GMT -6
That is totally the kind of love-filled rhetoric I'd like to expose children to. Please see the guidelines. O, please! They are going to learn these words one way or another. Furthermore, citizens participating here are considered adults under Talossan jurisdiction, therefore your argument does not hold up. Hmmmm. Folks, the trend is currently pointing towards citizen renunciation and citizen inactivity. For varying reasons, we've lost a half-dozen (?) citizens recently. I, for one, hope we can work on efforts that activate citizens and encourage them to stay. On my part I wanted to check if anyone would be interested in compiling hypothetical Talossan cuisine recipes and favorite recipes from Talossans around the world as a start. Perhaps this book could be sold as a part of our TalossaWARE?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 12, 2016 14:37:01 GMT -6
Once again, if the Free Democrats manage to form a government, we will push forward on a "depoliticisation" project - shifting more activity to the Civil Service and Chancery and more promotion of bottom-up culture. Let's put it this way - everyone knows that I have some issues with certain Talossans who are prominent in other political parties, but I have no issue with them being given high and important responsibility for doing stuff (as opposed to having to work with them politically). I really think that will take a lot of the heat out of things.
On the other hand, I'm not sure that Talossa should really believe that "bigger is better". That's been an unexamined assumption of 10 years of a virtually "open door" immigration policy. Let's put it this way. Why is it a bad thing for people who don't like Talossa to leave, when they are being replaced by other people who do like Talossa as it is now? Talossa cannot be fun for everyone all the time, nor should it. Someone who liked the genteel one-party Kingdom of 2006-2012 and doesn't have the stomach for competitive politics leaves or becomes inactive - while that's a situation in which others thrive. Swings and roundabouts.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 12, 2016 14:38:33 GMT -6
That is totally the kind of love-filled rhetoric I'd like to expose children to. Children shouldn't be participating in Talossa at all. And a 14 year old can handle a few salty words, IMHO, if they've been raised properly. On the other hand, I would be cautious about raising my Dandelion in a community where everyone smiles and uses clean language and polite words but uses strong-arm politics to defeat and humiliate the people they don't like.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Mar 12, 2016 14:44:35 GMT -6
Once again, if the Free Democrats manage to form a government, we will push forward on a "depoliticisation" project - shifting more activity to the Civil Service and Chancery and more promotion of bottom-up culture. Let's put it this way - everyone knows that I have some issues with certain Talossans who are prominent in other political parties, but I have no issue with them being given high and important responsibility for doing stuff (as opposed to having to work with them politically). I really think that will take a lot of the heat out of things. On the other hand, I'm not sure that Talossa should really believe that "bigger is better". That's been an unexamined assumption of 10 years of a virtually "open door" immigration policy. Let's put it this way. Why is it a bad thing for people who don't like Talossa to leave, when they are being replaced by other people who do like Talossa as it is now? Talossa cannot be fun for everyone all the time, nor should it. Someone who liked the genteel one-party Kingdom of 2006-2012 and doesn't have the stomach for competitive politics leaves or becomes inactive - while that's a situation in which others thrive. Swings and roundabouts. Between 2001 and 2004, over 80% of the work being done under the hood of Talossa was done non-politically. Don't tell me it was, because I was doing that 80% of the work: publishing the Clark, handling the elections, hosting Wittenberg, being the Minister of Immigration, the Minister of Stuff (and thus, handling the websites), etc... Sure, I was in the PC who was the government, but my deputy SoS was leader of the RCT, and my assistant Minister of Stuff (and not officially deputy) was a leading member of the ZPT. I did almost all of my work without consulting the PC, the PM or anything. I was in effect, the civil service and I was doing it 100% apolitically. I did some politics (not a lot) as a member of the Cosa and Senator, but that was a separate topic. Of course, having a one man army handling everything wasn't ideal. When the King bullied that one man army, the country fell apart, notably. At least one Clark was prorogated because I was hopitalized. But in the end, my point is: more apolitical workers, less political work.
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Post by Prince Patrick on Mar 12, 2016 14:49:38 GMT -6
I'll even give you my hummus recipe.
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Post by Iason Bitxichë Taiwos on Mar 12, 2016 15:56:34 GMT -6
Berberitos [aka Asinets Talossaes] 1 ¼ pounds chopped lamb 1 teaspoon honey 2 tablespoons olive oil 1 teaspoon lime juice ½ teaspoon ground cumin ½ teaspoon ground coriander ½ teaspoon turmeric ¼ teaspoon ground allspice ¼ teaspoon cardamom ¼ teaspoon ground cloves 1 tablespoon minced garlic ½ cup chopped red bell peppers ½ cup chopped green bell peppers ½ cup chopped scallions 1 cup uncooked couscous 1 cup water Juice of 1 tangerine 1 tablespoon butter 6 tortillas Cheese of choice Chopped tomatoes, onions, peppers and other vegetables of choice.
Combine lamb, honey, olive oil, lime juice, cumin, coriander, turmeric, allspice, cardamom, cloves, garlic, bell peppers, and scallions in bowl. Cover and allow to marinate at least one hour, preferably overnight. Prepare couscous as per directions on package, adding juice of tangerine and butter. Cook lamb, peppers, onions and marinade. Frying is suggested but alternate methods of cooking would suffice. Top tortilla with couscous, lamb mixture, vegetables of choice and cheese of choice. Serves approximately six.
[That's the recipe as initially developed, and I felt the spice was lacking and would likely change the ½ teaspoons to full teaspoons and the ¼ teaspoons to ½ teaspoons. Might also suggest a spicy yogurt sauce to top, though I'd never eat such a thing.]
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 12, 2016 16:11:12 GMT -6
Once again, if the Free Democrats manage to form a government, we will push forward on a "depoliticisation" project - shifting more activity to the Civil Service and Chancery and more promotion of bottom-up culture. Let's put it this way - everyone knows that I have some issues with certain Talossans who are prominent in other political parties, but I have no issue with them being given high and important responsibility for doing stuff (as opposed to having to work with them politically). I really think that will take a lot of the heat out of things. On the other hand, I'm not sure that Talossa should really believe that "bigger is better". That's been an unexamined assumption of 10 years of a virtually "open door" immigration policy. Let's put it this way. Why is it a bad thing for people who don't like Talossa to leave, when they are being replaced by other people who do like Talossa as it is now? Talossa cannot be fun for everyone all the time, nor should it. Someone who liked the genteel one-party Kingdom of 2006-2012 and doesn't have the stomach for competitive politics leaves or becomes inactive - while that's a situation in which others thrive. Swings and roundabouts. While I'd note that if we're of a mind to reduce our number of active citizens, we're doing a bang-up job without actually making Talossa more fun for anyone at all, I'd also say that I definitely agree with reducing the angry tenor of our politics by moving more responsibility to nonpolitical roles. That's something a lot of people agree on, I think.
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