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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Mar 9, 2016 17:03:18 GMT -6
Now you are being ridiculous.  So when you post, you ALWAYS post as a Senator? Never you have an opinion as a private individual, but as a Senator, you have a more politically correct opinion? I do not believe in “political correctness”. One should always be able to voice one’s opinion, as long as it does not incite violence and other serious crimes, all the while ensuring not to be vile, insensitive, or spitefully mean about it. No, what I mean, is, that you are far inside theatrical staging about your different “hats”, thereby reducing it ad absurdum. |
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Post by Audradâ d'Aurìbuérg on Mar 9, 2016 17:10:01 GMT -6
Um, Pol renounced, but Audrada must do so herself in order to renounce. You cannot legally mark Audrada as renounced based on what her husband said. Fine, I renounce my citizenship also. Are you happy now? |
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Post by Colonel Mximo Carbonèl on Mar 9, 2016 17:37:08 GMT -6
Wow... what a rude answer...
No we are not happy to see you go.
Mximo
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Mar 9, 2016 17:51:53 GMT -6
Owen and Pol are right in what they are saying.
It's not that Reunision is (or was) to blame in and of itself. Reunision being a timestamp, or milestone, in the scheme of things. As said.
But, there is no denying, that since Reunision, Talossa has become an ugly place chock full of bitter and partisan scrapping.
(The events of the election where Owen renounced was not systemic or widespread. It was a single scandal that involved V Marcianus of the FGP. Afterwards, the country was disgusted with the partisan fighting that election brought.)
The way I would put it is this. Pre-Reunision, the country got nasty during election time. Post-Reunision, the country is nasty all the time.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Mar 9, 2016 17:53:33 GMT -6
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Post by Colonel Mximo Carbonèl on Mar 9, 2016 18:05:46 GMT -6
Il trouve que Talossa est une place de chicane et il me ridiculise dans le message suivant...
Mon Dieu que vous êtes de jeunes enfants...
Mximo
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Mar 9, 2016 18:10:39 GMT -6
Il trouve que Talossa est une place de chicane et il me ridiculise dans le message suivant... Mon Dieu que vous êtes de jeunes enfants... Mximo Me? I was not intending to ridicule you, nor anyone. It is, of course, an accident that my post appears directly beneath yours, but that does not mean I was talking in response to your post. |
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Mar 9, 2016 18:26:05 GMT -6
Um, Pol renounced, but Audrada must do so herself in order to renounce. You cannot legally mark Audrada as renounced based on what her husband said. Fine, I renounce my citizenship also. Are you happy now? No. I'm never happy when someone renounces. However, we do have procedures and laws and I was trying to protect you. Oh well. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 9, 2016 18:36:33 GMT -6
I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with Owen and Eovart, here. I'm not sure why some people are insisting on putting blinders on... Talossa has fewer active citizens every term, and since our population keeps going up, that means we actually have fewer and fewer people active as a percentage, too. And when someone posts to say they're renouncing, it's really sad to see some of the reactions be bitter partisan ones. Epic, MPF, and Miestra all chimed in to attribute motives to Pol, and did so without one whit of compassion. It's unfortunate to see when I know all three are capable of much greater generosity of spirit.
What sad times these are for our country. I hope we can make some changes soon, to get us back on the right track... to help us find our way back to being a community of friends with an earnest interest in doing Talossa, rather than just ruling Talossa.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Mar 9, 2016 18:45:58 GMT -6
Epic, MPF, and Miestra all chimed in to attribute motives to Pol, and did so without one whit of compassion. It's unfortunate to see when I know all three are capable of much greater generosity of spirit. Don't you see Sir Alexandreu that even your response is part of the problem? We are so eager to point fingers at each other instead of looking inside ourselves to see if we are contributing to the problem. |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Mar 9, 2016 18:55:56 GMT -6
Il trouve que Talossa est une place de chicane et il me ridiculise dans le message suivant... Mon Dieu que vous êtes de jeunes enfants... Mximo Me? I was not intending to ridicule you, nor anyone. It is, of course, an accident that my post appears directly beneath yours, but that does not mean I was talking in response to your post. Moi, je faisais référence à son post ; mais, j’essayais de remonter le moral de ce thread avec ce GIF-là — désolé, je n’ai pas voulu de te ridiculiser, pas du tout ! |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 9, 2016 19:04:32 GMT -6
Epic, MPF, and Miestra all chimed in to attribute motives to Pol, and did so without one whit of compassion. It's unfortunate to see when I know all three are capable of much greater generosity of spirit. Don't you see Sir Alexandreu that even your response is part of the problem? We are so eager to point fingers at each other instead of looking inside ourselves to see if we are contributing to the problem. Certainly, we should all keep a watchful eye on our own behavior. But some things in this thread and the one in Florencia ( talossa.proboards.com/thread/11425/notice-sos-senator-renunced-citizenship) are just mean. But I know I appreciate it when others point out times when I have fallen short of compassion (and they often have, sometimes with great enthusiasm  ). Talossa needs to be a community of friends again if it hopes to survive in spirit, not just name. |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Mar 9, 2016 19:06:37 GMT -6
I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with Owen and Eovart, here. I'm not sure why some people are insisting on putting blinders on... Talossa has fewer active citizens every term, and since our population keeps going up, that means we actually have fewer and fewer people active as a percentage, too. And when someone posts to say they're renouncing, it's really sad to see some of the reactions be bitter partisan ones. Epic, MPF, and Miestra all chimed in to attribute motives to Pol, and did so without one whit of compassion. It's unfortunate to see when I know all three are capable of much greater generosity of spirit. What sad times these are for our country. I hope we can make some changes soon, to get us back on the right track... to help us find our way back to being a community of friends with an earnest interest in doing Talossa, rather than just ruling Talossa. It was not out of partisanship that I asked these (granted, they were biased) questions. But my bias does not stem from partisanship, but from the way he clearly insinuated that Reunision was the reason for all of Talossa’s evil, and to me, it REALLY seemed as though he were hating on the former Republicans for... existing and contributing to Talossa! Is our political atmosphere toxic at times? Yes, absolutely; it is. But I think there are reasons for that: 1. Talossa is currently almost exclusively political. The nature of democratic politics is one of debate and (less ideally, of course) altercation. Thus, parties are forced to approach one another to achieve their goals, thereby factually representing more than just their electorate. 2. Missing cultural activity does not allow for Talossans to vent, in a Talossan atmosphere, and to get negative energy accumulated by political debate and altercation out of their system. 3. Citizen activity, and numbers of active citizens are low and sinking even further. This results in the same people, doing the same things, committing the same errors, taking on the same issues. We are not evolving. So, for above reasons, there is currently either two options for Talossa and Talossans: either inactivity, or frustration leading to debate, altercation, and increased toxicity. We desperately need much more adtive citizens AND a place and/or places, whither citizens — all of them —can and must retreat to enjoy bounding with their compatriots in a non-political climate. |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Mar 9, 2016 19:10:19 GMT -6
Don't you see Sir Alexandreu that even your response is part of the problem? We are so eager to point fingers at each other instead of looking inside ourselves to see if we are contributing to the problem. Certainly, we should all keep a watchful eye on our own behavior. But some things in this thread and the one in Florencia ( talossa.proboards.com/thread/11425/notice-sos-senator-renunced-citizenship) are just mean. But I know I appreciate it when others point out times when I have fallen short of compassion (and they often have, sometimes with great enthusiasm ). Talossa needs to be a community of friends again if it hopes to survive in spirit, not just name. What exactly is mean on that other thread, though? |
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 9, 2016 19:14:38 GMT -6
But, there is no denying, that since Reunision, Talossa has become an ugly place chock full of bitter and partisan scrapping. I wonder how the RUMPers in this thread think they're participating in making Talossa a "kinder, gentler" country by pointing all those fingers squarely at the reviensadéir population. I honestly thought we'd seen the end of "the ex-Republicans ruined everything" argument - but Pól just brought it back, so as the main representative of that population, I find it interesting that I am supposed to take this on the chin. And of course politics was probably much less high-octane when there was a one-party majority for 10 elections. Hell, I have a brilliant idea - abolish the Cosâ altogether, and then we'll have no electoral politics and we can all live happily under Royal absolutism. GOD SAVE THE KING!!! But more seriously, the RUMP in this thread make no self-assessment as to how much they contribute to the nastiness of the atmosphere. Pól's renunciation added to that nastiness by blaming it all on Reunision - but AD doesn't seem to understand that this stuff is hurtful to us. Over and over again the moderate and reformist parties are told that the bad atmosphere is our fault - but every time AD goes off on one of his rants which ends with him yelling at one of us "What is wrong with you?!?" that's just giggles? That's not ratcheting up the partisan heat? |
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