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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:28:20 GMT -6
Breneir, are you okay? You are not usually this aggressive in these sorts of discussions. Epic wasn't being rude or anything, and while I'm interested in these cabinet discussions, it's not good to escalate things with Dama Miestra, either. Yes, I am OK. I am just sick of Miestra's bullshit and her teasing. It will end or I will take a permanently "aggressive" tone in our communications. Further, Epiq was being rude in calling the announcement vague. We chose not to endorse him. Gluc asked why. I answered that it was his tendency "to go rogue" and the concerns this raised. The degree of detail that makes him comfortable is not my concern.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:33:34 GMT -6
Breneir, are you okay? You are not usually this aggressive in these sorts of discussions. Epic wasn't being rude or anything, and while I'm interested in these cabinet discussions, it's not good to escalate things with Dama Miestra, either. Yes, I am OK. I am just sick of Miestra's bullshit and her teasing. It will end or I will take a permanently "aggressive" tone in our communications. Further, Epiq was being rude in calling the announcement vague. We chose not to endorse him. Gluc asked why. I answered that it was his tendency "to go rogue" and the concerns this raised. The degree of detail that makes him comfortable is not my concern. LET IT BE KNOWN UNTO ALL TALOSSANS THAT CRITICISING THE TNC IS RUDE.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:37:37 GMT -6
Yes, I am OK. I am just sick of Miestra's bullshit and her teasing. It will end or I will take a permanently "aggressive" tone in our communications. Further, Epiq was being rude in calling the announcement vague. We chose not to endorse him. Gluc asked why. I answered that it was his tendency "to go rogue" and the concerns this raised. The degree of detail that makes him comfortable is not my concern. LET IT BE KNOWN UNTO ALL TALOSSANS THAT CRITICISING THE TNC IS RUDE.Weird, criticism ISN'T rude when you do it but my stern RESPONSE to your criticism is considered rude. Maybe you should join the FreeDems, Epiq.
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jan 31, 2016 16:38:42 GMT -6
Can everyone please stop telling MRPT members to join other parties
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:40:07 GMT -6
Can everyone please stop telling MRPT members to join other parties If the shoe fits.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:41:16 GMT -6
LET IT BE KNOWN UNTO ALL TALOSSANS THAT CRITICISING THE TNC IS RUDE. Weird, criticism ISN'T rude when you do it but my stern RESPONSE to your criticism is considered rude. Maybe you should join the FreeDems, Epiq. O no, what you did, good S:reu, was not criticising. It was tossing courteousness out of the conversation and bluntly stating that your party does not care about how it treats individuals when they feel that your statement about them may potentially be libellous due to its ambiguity, resp. brevity.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jan 31, 2016 16:43:29 GMT -6
Maybe we should all just take some time off. Seriously people, there doesnt even seem to be that much cause for disagreement and yet we're all shouting at each other. Seems a bit silly to me.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jan 31, 2016 16:44:06 GMT -6
Can everyone please stop telling MRPT members to join other parties It's a conspiracy. *gasp* They want to disband us. AD ARMA, POPULI!
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 16:45:10 GMT -6
Weird, criticism ISN'T rude when you do it but my stern RESPONSE to your criticism is considered rude. Maybe you should join the FreeDems, Epiq. O no, what you did, good S:reu, was not criticising. It was tossing courteousness out of the conversation and bluntly stating that your party does not care about how it treats individuals when they feel that your statement about them may potentially be libellous due to its ambiguity, resp. brevity. Besides shooting out pretty words if you believe you are the victim of libel then please get your court case going. I said that I responded to your criticism. You may have not liked the tone but there was nothing scandalous about it.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jan 31, 2016 16:46:55 GMT -6
Maybe we should all just take some time off. Seriously people, there doesnt even seem to be that much cause for disagreement and yet we're all shouting at each other. Seems a bit silly to me. or, you know, we could go on...
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 31, 2016 16:50:31 GMT -6
No, I totally agree that Epic should join the FreeDems. More seriously: Brenéir has been aggressive and personal in this thread, not just to me (and I know there's a body of opinion out there that thinks I deserve whatever I get), but to people like ESB and Epic who asked pertinent and honest questions. The inability to separate political debate from personal abuse is precisely what I talked about in my video speech, as a sickness within Talossa. Teasing/satire is my style, and I doubt that will change. Though I do rely on my fellow Talossans to tell me when I'm going too far on poking a hornet's nest. I want to keep things comradely. But receiving personal abuse in reply to political questions - as ESB, Epic and myself all did - is a way of operating that we need to stamp out in Talossa.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 17:01:37 GMT -6
No, I totally agree that Epic should join the FreeDems. More seriously: Brenéir has been aggressive and personal in this thread, not just to me (and I know there's a body of opinion out there that thinks I deserve whatever I get), but to people like ESB and Epic who asked pertinent and honest questions. The inability to separate political debate from personal abuse is precisely what I talked about in my video speech, as a sickness within Talossa. Teasing/satire is my style, and I doubt that will change. Though I do rely on my fellow Talossans to tell me when I'm going too far on poking a hornet's nest. I want to keep things comradely. But receiving personal abuse in reply to political questions - as ESB, Epic and myself all did - is a way of operating that we need to stamp out in Talossa. This is another one of those pot meet kettle moments. The person behind many of the squabbles and running a campaign of blame, deny and deflate others is talking about being "comradely". As I said, if you tease or act aggressively toward me then I will respond. You will GET as good as you GIVE.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jan 31, 2016 17:09:08 GMT -6
Glüc you know as well as anyone that calls for calm won't work, unfortunately. Thanks for trying, though!
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 31, 2016 17:21:36 GMT -6
So - I control your responses, in other words? And if I did a bad thing in the past, that means you're allowed to do a bad thing in future? Let the record show that I promise to do my damndest not to act aggressively in Talossa in future. However, I reserve the right to tease anyone who I see as being "full of themselves" or trying to put themselves beyond criticism. Photoshopped 'cartoons' may even be involved. I should also point out that the formulation is exactly the kind of personalised miéidâ da toreu that we can no longer allow in Talossa. Talossa is what it is because we are what we are. Trying to blame individuals for Talossa's woes - as I've learned the hard way - just ensures that the bad patterns of behaviour go on. (Parenthetically, I found myself thinking in the past that the RUMP leader was "the person who was ruining Talossa". This was wrong of me and I apologise for it here and now and hope never to be caught up in such thought patterns again.) For example, just as King John has ended up acting so much like King Robert whom he helped bring to heel ten years ago, so Brenéir in this thread is repeating many of the same unpleasant behaviour patterns that M. T. P. da Biondeu was exhibiting just before he left. The problem is "scripts" and roles we play in ongoing Talossan drama. Not - "punish THIS person and everything will be okay". Not - "I can do THIS because such a person did THAT". I should also point out that even if you do believe that I'm the bad factor in Talossa which has been ruining things and therefore personal attacks on me are a good thing, the same does NOT apply to ESB or Epic. Okay, maybe to ESB, but he's doing time for his past errors.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 31, 2016 17:31:38 GMT -6
So - I control your responses, in other words? And if I did a bad thing in the past, that means you're allowed to do a bad thing in future? Let the record show that I promise to do my damndest not to act aggressively in Talossa in future. However, I reserve the right to tease anyone who I see as being "full of themselves" or trying to put themselves beyond criticism. Photoshopped 'cartoons' may even be involved. I should also point out that the formulation is exactly the kind of personalised miéidâ da toreu that we can no longer allow in Talossa. Talossa is what it is because we are what we are. Trying to blame individuals for Talossa's woes - as I've learned the hard way - just ensures that the bad patterns of behaviour go on. (Parenthetically, I found myself thinking in the past that the RUMP leader was "the person who was ruining Talossa". This was wrong of me and I apologise for it here and now and hope never to be caught up in such thought patterns again.) For example, just as King John has ended up acting so much like King Robert whom he helped bring to heel ten years ago, so Brenéir in this thread is repeating many of the same unpleasant behaviour patterns that M. T. P. da Biondeu was exhibiting just before he left. The problem is "scripts" and roles we play in ongoing Talossan drama. Not - "punish THIS person and everything will be okay". Not - "I can do THIS because such a person did THAT". I should also point out that even if you do believe that I'm the bad factor in Talossa which has been ruining things and therefore personal attacks on me are a good thing, the same does NOT apply to ESB or Epic. Okay, maybe to ESB, but he's doing time for his past errors. Folks, in Miestra's formulation "a personalised miéidâ da toreu" is the truth. Blind as she may be I have faith that the voters can indeed see. Your reputation is earned.
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