Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 30, 2016 23:24:54 GMT -6
This is a broader question, of course. Do other Talossans really want to cut down on the rudeness and aggression in Talossan politics? Or is it just okay when some people do it, not others?
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:25:26 GMT -6
Actually, re-reading Brenéir's statements, I think I need to make an apology. He is making it clear, under a lot of aggressive posturing, what his issue is. The whole goal of the TNC is to be part of a coalition Government. The FreeDems oppose coalition, so it makes sense that he opposes us. What I can't understand about why Brenéir as Foreign Minister (alongside Cresti and Eddie G.) in a Free-Dem led cabinet wouldn't give him everything he wanted. Unless these are extra demands put forward by the "Canadian boyfriends", i.e. the silent and possibly fictitious other TNC members? As to this: Begging, huh. What a sneering, nasty thing to say. What a "tough-guy" pose, the implication that there's something shameful about asking someone for their help. Again we see that when people complain about aggression and rudeness in Talossan politics, they only mean me and posibly Tim. Everyone else can be as rude as miéidâ. Miestra, your obvious hypocrisy and feigned indignation are exhausting. I mean, really, exhausting. Do you even read what you write?
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jan 30, 2016 23:29:41 GMT -6
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 30, 2016 23:30:01 GMT -6
I repeat myself:
Additionally: do you think that being rude / a tough guy to me makes you look good in the eyes of potential voters/coalition partners? Or the evasiveness about whether other real people are in your party? Even AD is trying to keep a civil tongue in his head recently.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:30:37 GMT -6
I realize that you intend to communicate an air being reasonable, Eiric but asking me the same question repeatedly AFTER I answered is liable to make anyone quite angry and is most certainly NOT reasonable. The insinuations that are being made against me and the members of my party are entirely unacceptable. NOW, you want to talk about the TNC after questions were raised about the FreeDem record in Government. I ANSWERED your question on coalitions. I said earlier that the TNC will seek a coalition government to achieve the objectives listed in our platform. I said that I founded the TNC with the expectation of entering into coalition since we are small. Just like I have now stated TWICE the numbers of both members and supporters we have. We will likely seek a coalition in some form with multiple parties depending on how the vote turns out. I ANSWERED your question on outline in the platform with specific ideas for each ministry. All that is remaining to know are the NAMES and that is something to be determined in negotiations AFTER voting has concluded. Our ability to "carry our ideas off" is not dependent on having 30 members. It is dependent on our ability to either lead or work successfully within a COALITION. I say again we are not running an anti-coalition campaign like the FreeDems so we are not restrain to begging members of other parties to join our cabinet now like Miestra did with me twice.And there it is. The answer. You're seeking to build a coalition. Thank you. If I missed it in the posts, you have my apologies. I changed the subject from the FreeDems because I know their record. The coalition government fell apart like a soup sandwich. Not much more to know, and just about everyone (from just about every party) has been pretty up front about the failings on their part. Which then leads me to ask: "Given the difficulties faced by the last coalition government, at least some of which seem to be related to the very nature of a coalition, why does the TNC choose to follow such a path?" Apology accepted but you did it again. I also ANSWERED this question. I reject the premise that coalitions are inherently flawed. Coalitions have worked in the past it was this particular Government's performance. The difference is the coalition's party makeup.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:31:58 GMT -6
This is a broader question, of course. Do other Talossans really want to cut down on the rudeness and aggression in Talossan politics? Or is it just okay when some people do it, not others? How about you set the example, Miestra, for once?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 30, 2016 23:32:40 GMT -6
Now you're being rude to, not another party leader, but a potential voter.
And we're getting closer to the nub of argument, in that you seem - correct me if I'm wrong - that the FreeDems were the problem in the last government?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 30, 2016 23:33:42 GMT -6
How about you set the example, Miestra, for once? I am. I've cleaned up my act appreciably in the last couple of weeks. Even AD recognizes this. But if you've decided that I'm a fair target for rudeness, then of course you couldn't recognize that - it would take away your Licence To Be Nasty.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:34:56 GMT -6
I repeat myself: Additionally: do you think that being rude / a tough guy to me makes you look good in the eyes of potential voters/coalition partners? Or the evasiveness about whether other real people are in your party? Even AD is trying to keep a civil tongue in his head recently. You persist in diversion in some kind of blame game. Miestra, take your lumps. I am not rude for pointing out the truth about your record. And if I am tough for standing up to bullies like you then may we all be as tough or tougher.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 30, 2016 23:43:13 GMT -6
How does name-calling me personally square with your comments up-thread that personalities don't matter, only policies?
The stuff about "my record" is simply politically-motivated falsehoods. I repeat: you know what happened in the last Government. You seek to blame the FreeDems for it out of sheer political opportunism. It is clearly false because you offer no evidence, no "dropped balls", only vague slurs. The FreeDems held the last Government together - with your help, of course. You never piled this kind of abuse on us while we were in coalition.
I predict that every time you insult me, ESB or anyone else in Talossa for raising valid questions about your Canadian boyfriends party and your manifesto, you lose two votes. You'll be in negative figures soon. I don't believe voters like candidates who claim that they're running entirely on policies and yet name-call others.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:48:10 GMT -6
Is that one of our former affiliated citizens, Eiric? And where are the other two dozen sock puppets? Also what is the TNP?
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:50:36 GMT -6
How does name-calling me personally square with your comments up-thread that personalities don't matter, only policies? The stuff about "my record" is simply politically-motivated falsehoods. I repeat: you know what happened in the last Government. You seek to blame the FreeDems for it out of sheer political opportunism. It is clearly false because you offer no evidence, no "dropped balls", only vague slurs. The FreeDems held the last Government together - with your help, of course. You never piled this kind of abuse on us while we were in coalition. I predict that every time you insult me, ESB or anyone else in Talossa for raising valid questions about your Canadian boyfriends party and your manifesto, you lose two votes. You'll be in negative figures soon. I don't believe voters like candidates who claim that they're running entirely on policies and yet name-call others. Insult, that's cute. Truth is now both rude and insulting. Black is white and the sky is red. Orwell would be proud of you. The FreeDems apparently "apologized now for holding the cabinet together" huh? Or what apology is Eiric mentioning?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 30, 2016 23:51:26 GMT -6
A voter who asked the TNC questions about its manifesto and personnel:
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 30, 2016 23:52:53 GMT -6
A voter who asked the TNC questions about its manifesto and personnel: That's almost as funny as the crazed look on your face in the poster you taunted AD with begging to debate him...
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jan 30, 2016 23:52:54 GMT -6
Is that one of our former affiliated citizens, Eiric? And where are the other two dozen sock puppets? Also what is the TNP? I only have the two arms, more's the pity. The TNP is, OBVIOUSLY, the radical splinter group of the TNC that calls for the forced Talossanization of the city of Milwaukee, with the speaking of Cestour English outlawed, etc.
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