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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jan 3, 2016 17:53:14 GMT -6
In our small country unity is a value of its own that must not be wagered away. Yes, I am despising monarchy second to none, but I know that there are respectable Talossan compatriots on the other side of the political divide, too, which is why we still have to find a solution that satisfies both sides.
As for King John, he may advertise his monarchist ideals as much as he wants, as long as he remains agnostic in the monarchy vs republic issue when it comes to signing laws that are constitutionally correct.
Anyway, in some silly sentimental moments, Colonel Mximo's call for "NO MORE KING" sounds like music in my ears. Vive l'idée d'une République Talossaine.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 3, 2016 17:55:33 GMT -6
The ZRT, the sensible voice of Talossan Republicanism, are currently discussing a way in which Talossa could remain a 'Kingdom' in symbolism and yet move towards an elected and accountable Head of State. Of course, this is offered as a suggestion for debate, not an election policy. Despite the King's best efforts to distract us, the Free Democrats are running in this election on the platform of active and competent government, leaving the Constitutional issue to the Royal Commission.
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Post by Renalt da Fhamul on Jan 3, 2016 19:46:44 GMT -6
I have no desire to return to the post-reunision politics *either* whereby people who held genuinely republican beliefs were labelled as disloyal, and that we should shut up about republicanism because it had lost. There's nothing wrong with republicanism, just as there's nothing wrong with holding a sincere belief in constitutional monarchism. Let's try to avoid calling political demonstrations rebellions, no matter how... out there Colonal Carbonara might be. I agree and I wish to openly apologize to those involved whom I may have offended. I do, still, believe that they hold radical beliefs. I must not, however, be fast in my judgement. I should not have said that... I still believe that they should go about change in a much more sense able way. I believe that this will divide the nation's political beliefs. I simply hope that we can find a way to stop this before it gets out of hand.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jan 3, 2016 19:51:57 GMT -6
Define sensible. What is sensible to you S:reu da Fhamul is not necessarily sensible to someone else. You're still relatively new when it comes to Talossa and I bet you would take great offense if someone pointed that out as an argument as to why you should not be listened to. On the converse of that, someone who has been through the most turbulent historical era - the great schism that was the Republic - takes offense when someone calls them a rebel.
Also, what is it you are hoping to stop before it gets out of hand?
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 3, 2016 19:57:20 GMT -6
Sorry to have to tell you, Renault, but the nation is already divided - on many issues. We're not divided to civil war/National Schism levels, but we are divided, and that's why we have different political parties.
I am happy to be declared a radical, I don't take it as an insult. That said, I am on the left-wing of my own party, and the FreeDems are deliberately trying to stand on a platform of active and competent government, leaving the issue of the Royal powers to the Royal Commission on the OrgLaw. That said, King John's current performance in the job cannot be defended by anyone with any intellectual honesty.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 3, 2016 20:04:12 GMT -6
What unity? Seriously. We're not unified now. I would argue that the King's politically biased actions followed by negligence have already divided the nation, between a) those who would defend him even if he were arrested for bigamy and white slavery "because GOD SAVE THE KING!", and b) sensible persons.
Also, there are other options than "forming a republican government". The current King could abdicate and let Prince Patrick take over. We could declare a Council of Regency. We might reform the OrgLaw to take some royal powers away. There are lots of middle-ground alternatives, all of which the Free Democrats think should be discussed.
This was a response to a post from cxhn. da Fhamul which was deleted.
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Post by Renalt da Fhamul on Jan 3, 2016 20:08:18 GMT -6
I would like to make a few things clear, first and foremost I want to keep a monarchy of some kind, I never said I want King John... I only am trying to make sure that we can reform what unity we have left. Second, I 100% agree that the current king is not doing his job properly... Does this mean we should abolish the monarchy? No it does not! I only want to make some sort of compromise that will stop this complete "political schism". We are literally debateing two different forms of government. I am not defending the king himself, simply the unity of Talossa... Or at least what unity we have left.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 3, 2016 20:09:16 GMT -6
Have you got any opinion on the other options I put up? Abdication? Council of Regency? OrgLaw reform?
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Post by Renalt da Fhamul on Jan 3, 2016 20:09:27 GMT -6
I would apologize that I deleted my previous post... I rethought how to word my opinions.
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Post by Renalt da Fhamul on Jan 3, 2016 20:12:45 GMT -6
Have you got any opinion on the other options I put up? Abdication? Council of Regency? OrgLaw reform? I believe that I would vote for a abdication of the current king and have a more suited person take his place, I would vote for some OrgLaw reforms... I don't know what a "council of Regency" is so I don't have an opinion there.
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